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re: Is America Starting To Target Thought Crime?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:47 am to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:47 am to onmymedicalgrind
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You sound like you want to start regulate private entities?
That's a stretch. How did you draw this conclusion? I see you have no problem with private conservations being illegally recorded and released to the public.
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:48 am to SavageOrangeJug
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So you support a loss of privacy to maintain political correctness?
There have been reports the guy had her record the convos as some sort of weird archivist shite.
I think he got screwed by what she did. I think that's the price you pay when you run around with shady, gold-digging whores.
I also think the NBA Owners have/had every right to implelment the procedures in their internal Constitution (that Sterling agreed to) to protect their individual investments from any harm from Sterling's comments.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:49 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Should he be forced to sell his business? Two-way street here.
If he agreed to the mechanism and terms by which he is now being forced to do so? Sure.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:49 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Should he be forced to sell his business? Two-way street here.
NBA franchises aren't set up like your typical businesses. He signed an agreement stating his team could be sold against his will before he bought the Clippers.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:50 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I see you have no problem with private conservations being illegally recorded and released to the public.
I said if it was illegal she should be prosecuted. That doesn't mean people cant act on what they heard.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:53 am to onmymedicalgrind
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NBA franchises aren't set up like your typical businesses. He signed an agreement stating his team could be sold against his will before he bought the Clippers.
That is correct. This is similar to living in an HOA community. If you leave a bathtub in your front yard, you can bet that your HOA will take action. What the NBA is trying to do with Sterling is similar to that.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:58 am to onmymedicalgrind
All I'm saying is, hate crime laws are where your thoughts are considered motive for a heinous crime.
Now your thoughts are the 'heinous crime'.
This is a scary road to go down.
Now your thoughts are the 'heinous crime'.
This is a scary road to go down.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:03 am to SavageOrangeJug
Your thoughts have always been grounds for private actors to choose to associate with you or not.
When you use the words "laws" and "crime", you're insinuating government involvement. I agree with you that if the government was now targeting thoughts, that'd be a problem. However, the Sterling example is private actors punishing Mr. Sterling and that is a huge, key difference.
When you use the words "laws" and "crime", you're insinuating government involvement. I agree with you that if the government was now targeting thoughts, that'd be a problem. However, the Sterling example is private actors punishing Mr. Sterling and that is a huge, key difference.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 10:04 am
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:03 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Now your thoughts are the 'heinous crime'.
And I'll ask this one more time: do you know the difference between a thought and a statement?
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'heinous crime'
Crime implies against the law, and government will take legal action against you. What does that have to do with Sterling?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:12 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Last week, Michelle Obama made headlines when she exhorted graduating high schoolers in a commencement address to monitor their families for politically incorrect thoughts and behaviors.
this is NOT what she said, but typical right wingers without a critical reasoning bone in their head, this is what they read on blaze or whatever, so it must be true.
She said when grandpa makes a racist joke, call him out. This is not different than the push to get your parents to stop smoking when I was a kid. This is a fabulously awesome way to get people to be self aware of their actions.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:12 am to onmymedicalgrind
A statement is nothing more than a vocalized thought. Now we are into the area of free speech, but that is another thread.
Sterling is just an example of someone punished for private thoughts/free speech.
When the First Lady of The United States starts encouraging students to monitor family members for politically incorrect thoughts, where do think that is headed?
Sterling is just an example of someone punished for private thoughts/free speech.
When the First Lady of The United States starts encouraging students to monitor family members for politically incorrect thoughts, where do think that is headed?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:13 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Sterling is just an example of someone punished for private thoughts/free speech.
Another person who doesn't know what "free speech" means
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:14 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Sterling is just an example of someone punished for private thoughts/free speech.
And so what? A private entity can do whatever the hell they want to do. Why are you anti-business?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:15 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Another person who doesn't know what "free speech" means
Free speech, the term is self-explanatory.
I'm sure you're going to enlighten us with your version.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:16 am to SavageOrangeJug
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When the First Lady of The United States starts encouraging students to monitor family members for politically incorrect thoughts, where do think that is headed?
She's asking them to be a discerning participant in the Free Marketplace of Ideas.
We've been there for awhile now.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:16 am to onmymedicalgrind
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And so what? A private entity can do whatever the hell they want to do. Why are you anti-business?
They can do whatever they want with their money and their business.
Not with someone else's business as they did with Sterling's.
Anti-business? You're just straying off for the sake of arguing now.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:17 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Free speech, the term is self-explanatory.
Obviously not to you. Did the government do anything about this recording? If not, he had total freedom of speech. Are you following?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:19 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Not with someone else's business as they did with Sterling's.
Sterling is a partner in a business. He violated the terms of the partnership agreement.
Are you suggesting he should be able to ignore or invalidate an agreement he previously made simply because you fear the country "is starting to police thought"?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:21 am to SavageOrangeJug
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They can do whatever they want with their money and their business.
Not with someone else's business as they did with Sterling's.
Again, yes they can and Sterling agreed to this before purchasing the Clippers. You clearly know nothing of the NBAs by laws yet continue to spout ignorant statements. Owning an NBA franchise isn't like owning a regular business or something.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:21 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Obviously not to you. Did the government do anything about this recording? If not, he had total freedom of speech. Are you following?
If free speech was in play Sterling wouldn't be selling his team.
His speech was illegally recorded and used against him. Sounds 'free' to me.
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