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Posted on 4/25/23 at 3:25 pm to Revelator
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Yeah because we all know the inquisitions weren’t real
Oh I'm not denying they are real. They are as historically real as the ones Protestants waged against Catholics. We weren't discussing inquisitions though, which is why it's a red-herring to mention them.
Now, care to respond to the other points in my previous post?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 5:22 pm to Stitches
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Now, care to respond to the other points in my previous post?
I already addressed all the questions you asked in previous posts, so there is no use rehashing things you will not believe, though they come straight from scripture.
You come from a position that all Bible interpretations can only come from the RCC, and all other interpretations of scripture that deviates from the RCC are wrong.
There is no need to debate with someone who holds this mindset.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 6:02 pm to Revelator
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I already addressed all the questions you asked in previous posts, so there is no use rehashing things you will not believe, though they come straight from scripture.
I showed how your interpretation of scripture contradicts plain teachings elsewhere in scripture, so I wouldn't say you've addressed anything straight from scripture.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 6:05 pm to RELEE
I agree with both posts....I hate that man and everything he stands for. Because of that, I have learned to let that hate go and focus on what is important---and it isn't him or his demoniacs.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 6:07 pm to Joeybd
lol, go to hell.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 7:01 am to Stitches
Let me ask you a few simple questions.
If you say Catholics don’t worship Mary, then where does the concept of having statues of Mary in the yards of Catholics come from?
Are these Catholics simply coming up with this idea on their own, or does it stem from the spoken and unspoken idea that Mary is somehow more than a mere human, due worship?
And if Mary isn’t worshipped, why is there 10 Hail Mary’s to every Our Father in the rosary?
Why is it that neither Jesus, nor any of the writers of the New Testament told any believer to pray to Mary, any of the saints, or angels? If this practice was biblical and beneficial, surely one of the writers would have instructed us in that practice.
And why, if Mary is so central to our faith is she not even mentioned once after the book of Acts?
And why on the few occasions Jesus had to call Mary his mother, he purposely did not. One was when the crowd said,” your mother and brothers are here” and Jesus said,” whoever believes in me are my mother and brothers.”
Then at the cross, he told John,” behold your mother.” Why didn’t he simply say.” John, take care of my mother after my death?”
Could it be he purposely avoided the term mother because he knew in the future, people would seek to venerate her?
You can try to gaslight others who aren’t familiar with the Catholic faith, or Catholic themselves who are biblically ignorant, but anyone who doesn’t have an agenda can see that Catholics over emphasis and elevate Mary to a status that is unbiblical and in many cases, blasphemous.
Praying the rosary is simply one example of this.
This tells you very plainly who allows us to approach the throne of God, and it isn’t Mary or the saints.
If you say Catholics don’t worship Mary, then where does the concept of having statues of Mary in the yards of Catholics come from?
Are these Catholics simply coming up with this idea on their own, or does it stem from the spoken and unspoken idea that Mary is somehow more than a mere human, due worship?
And if Mary isn’t worshipped, why is there 10 Hail Mary’s to every Our Father in the rosary?
Why is it that neither Jesus, nor any of the writers of the New Testament told any believer to pray to Mary, any of the saints, or angels? If this practice was biblical and beneficial, surely one of the writers would have instructed us in that practice.
And why, if Mary is so central to our faith is she not even mentioned once after the book of Acts?
And why on the few occasions Jesus had to call Mary his mother, he purposely did not. One was when the crowd said,” your mother and brothers are here” and Jesus said,” whoever believes in me are my mother and brothers.”
Then at the cross, he told John,” behold your mother.” Why didn’t he simply say.” John, take care of my mother after my death?”
Could it be he purposely avoided the term mother because he knew in the future, people would seek to venerate her?
You can try to gaslight others who aren’t familiar with the Catholic faith, or Catholic themselves who are biblically ignorant, but anyone who doesn’t have an agenda can see that Catholics over emphasis and elevate Mary to a status that is unbiblical and in many cases, blasphemous.
Praying the rosary is simply one example of this.
This tells you very plainly who allows us to approach the throne of God, and it isn’t Mary or the saints.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 7:35 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 7:13 am to burger bearcat
I remember ~10 years ago AR-15 style rifles started to become popular and I thought it is something I wouldn't have an interest in. The only magazine fed semi-auto firearms I had used was handguns. But here I am with one that I lost in a boating accident. I do view it as this generation's Pennsylvania/Kentucky/American long rifle of the 1770s.
I've felt the pull towards Christ much harder the past 4 years but only a small part of that can be attributed to the chaos our government has cultivated in the world.
I read enough modern political thought and history in college to see the evil that leftist government can foster.
I've felt the pull towards Christ much harder the past 4 years but only a small part of that can be attributed to the chaos our government has cultivated in the world.
I read enough modern political thought and history in college to see the evil that leftist government can foster.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 7:21 am to burger bearcat
Know your enemy as you know yourself.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 7:52 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I have literally been hearing, from both sides, about how 'the president is destroying the country' since the Carter administration. Don't you people ever get tired of having your dire predictions not come true?
But the vast majority of Americans in the middle look at your post and think, "Since Roman Christians? Seriously?" Congratulations on catching up with your reading, but too bad it hasn't given you a better perspective.
Life is as comfortable as ever. Every superficial need a person can imagine is right at our fingertips, and acquired fairly cheap.
The tyranny we face now is not anything like the tyranny previous generations faced. This tyranny comes with a smile and an "up-talking" voice inflection. Our killing fields do not look like the Khmer Rouge, they look like Doctors in white coats. There are no trains, gas chambers, or incinerators... but they are accomplishing the same goals through sterilization, deadly vaccines, abortion slaughter houses, emasculating/feminizing men and turning women into men, castrating children, etc. It all happens in clean, sterile environments with a smile, but Moloch is pleased.
Our tyranny most closely resembles Brave New World. Its a tyranny of the mind and soul. The road to hell is paved with good deeds, and we are in it.
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There will be in the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it.
Aldous Huxley
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
C.S. Lewis
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 9:36 am to Revelator
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If you say Catholics don’t worship Mary, then where does the concept of having statues of Mary in the yards of Catholics come from?
I take it you have no pictures of deceased relatives in your home, or garden statues in general? If you do, why are you worshipping pictures of deceased relatives?
This is a super weak and contradictory argument, per usual.
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Are these Catholics simply coming up with this idea on their own, or does it stem from the spoken and unspoken idea that Mary is somehow more than a mere human, due worship?
Catholics don't worship Mary, and she is more than mere human. She's the mother of God. Again, weak argument.
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And if Mary isn’t worshipped, why is there 10 Hail Mary’s to every Our Father in the rosary?
If you ask 10 friends to pray for you for every prayer you send up on your own behalf, does that mean you're worshiping your friends? Again, a very weak and contradictory argument.
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Why is it that neither Jesus, nor any of the writers of the New Testament told any believer to pray to Mary, any of the saints, or angels? If this practice was biblical and beneficial, surely one of the writers would have instructed us in that practice.
Jesus also never told his disciples to copy anything that he said or did down in writing. Also, Revelation speaks of saints in Heaven offering intercessory prayers. Again, a very weak and contradictory argument.
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And why, if Mary is so central to our faith is she not even mentioned once after the book of Acts?
Except she is, in the book of Revelation. Again, a very weak and contradictory argument.
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And why on the few occasions Jesus had to call Mary his mother, he purposely did not
Well, the Bible also says that not everything Jesus said or did was written down. Elizabeth refers to Mary as the “mother of my Lord”, and Mary doesn’t correct her for obvious reasons. So it can safely be assumed that he did refer to Mary as his mother.
Also, this could be simply because biological connection to Jesus is of little importance (Matt. 12:46-50, Luke 8:19-21). What is important about Mary is that she is the new Eve.She is the one who says yes to God, whereas the first Eve said no. The first Eve was called “woman” (Gen. 2:22) as is Mary, both at the beginning of Jesus’ ministry (John 2:4) and at the end (John 19:26).
Again, a weak and contradictory argument.
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You can try to gaslight others who aren’t familiar with the Catholic faith, or Catholic themselves who are biblically ignorant, but anyone who doesn’t have an agenda can see that Catholics over emphasis and elevate Mary to a status that is unbiblical and in many cases, blasphemous.
Clearly, you're the one who is both unfamiliar with the Catholic faith, and also the one making scripture contradict itself.
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Hebrews 4:14-16 tells you very plainly who allows us to approach the throne of God, and it isn’t Mary or the saints.
Nowhere does that passage say that ONLY Jesus can intercede for us, and if it did, you're contradicting your previous comments that friends and family on Earth can mediate to God on our behalf. Also, you're continuing to assume that those who die and go to Heaven are somehow spiritually separated from the mystical body of Christ, even though God said he is God of the living not the dead. Again, a very weak and contradictory argument.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:49 am to burger bearcat
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sometimes it seems there are indirect reasons we need bad outcomes
Consider how God allowed His own chosen people, Israel, to be defeated and carried into captivity in Babylon when they turned their back to Him. While they were held in subjugation to a foreign power they turned their minds back to Him and were allowed to return to their homeland and rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple.
If God allowed even His own people to be subjected to such a downfall, what makes us think that we, a nation who has largely turned its back on God in this era, won't be taught a similar lesson in an effort to turn us back to what is right?
Like the prophet, Jeremiah, I fervently hope and pray that it doesn't happen, but there is a Creator whose will is mightier than ours and His plan and desires will be the ones that come to fruition. I just want to be on the correct side when the time comes.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:59 am to Swamp Angel
Revelator…why don’t you just frick off, you fricking a-hole. STFU.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:52 pm to navy
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Revelator…why don’t you just frick off, you fricking a-hole. STFU.
Nah. I think I’ll keep posting. But thanks for the encouragement
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:57 pm to Stitches
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Nowhere does that passage say that ONLY Jesus can intercede
Jesus; “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me!”
Seems very definitive. But again, why listen to the words of Jesus, when you can lean on church tradition instead?
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:26 pm to Revelator
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Jesus; “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me!”
Seems very definitive.
That's because this verse has absolutely nothing to do with prayer/mediation/intercession and everything to do with not being able to be saved by any means other than by Grace through faith in Christ. Totally different topic, and the two aren't mutually exclusive.
That's like saying the coast guard is the exclusive means to be saved from a sinking ship, and so therefore you're not allowed to radio in to others to help contact the coast guard on your behalf.
You are quoting scripture that has nothing to do with the topic at hand to support a case that you don't have.
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why rely on the scriptures when you can lean on church tradition instead.
I lean on both; Sacred Tradition just like the earliest Christians did before the Catholic church compiled the New Testament canon in the late 4th century, and Sacred Scripture as the written portion of the larger and complete deposit of faith.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:14 pm to navy
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Revelator…why don’t you just frick off, you fricking a-hole. STFU.
Sorry to disappoint. I don't have a collection of sock puppets/alters. Revelator isn't the only one who studies scripture on the boards here either. I'm not prognostication about the end of the world or the day of judgment. I'm just pointing out that history has a way of repeating itself when people make the same mistakes.
Take it or leave it.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:42 pm to Joeybd
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