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re: In theory, would you be OK with only letting citizens vote if they filed their taxes?
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:22 am to Jake88
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:22 am to Jake88
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they paid a lower rate, so what?
If you are responding to me, the argument was that super rich would prefer a national sales tax because they would be paying the same percentage as everyone else, I’m saying they are already paying the same percentage or in many cases a lower effective rate as everyone else so that argument is invalid
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:24 am to BiteMe2020
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So, you didn't answer the question in a manner where actual math can be done.
You are the one bringing up the math that you say I don't understand. What I do understand is if you want to raise X amount of taxes you have to have a percentage of taxes that equals X amount of taxes. It doesn't matter the method.
Plus by going to a flat sales tax, you greatly reduce the burden on the economy to support the parasites on the system like the accountants and the IRS, which is what I really suspect is the problem here. Someone is just protecting their personal business model, aren't you?
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:29 am to BiteMe2020
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So, you didn't answer the question in a manner where actual math can be done.
You are asking us to come up with a full proof tax rate for 360million Americans on the spot. As well as working through any potential pitfalls and loopholes. That’s just alittle demanding.
The point is, several states already do this and it works, so there is no reason it can’t be done on a federal level, and if the argument is that the rich would be paying a lower percentage, I’ve already provided evidence that it happens under the system right now
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:36 am to dltigers3
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You are asking us to come up with a full proof tax rate for 360million Americans on the spot.
Yes, I am. That way, I can compare your proposal against what currently exists.
It's simple logic.
How about college tuition? Subject to sales tax, or no?
I don't give a frick what you say states do. I'm comparing this against my current federal tax bill, which is what is relevant.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:37 am to squid_hunt
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And rate is immaterial because it would obviously fluctuate because government gets greedy.
So, you're an idiot. A 100% tax rate is no different than a 2% tax rate. Okay, moron.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:40 am to BiteMe2020
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It's simple logic.
It’s impossible. We don’t even know the federal budget.
Again, since states do it that gives us a good system to copy. In Tennessee college tuition is not taxed so I don’t see why it would need to be federally
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:40 am to BiteMe2020
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So, you're an idiot. A 100% tax rate is no different than a 2% tax rate.
That's not what I said. But obviously the pig doesn't like to give up his trough, so won't hold it against you.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:41 am to squid_hunt
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You are the one bringing up the math that you say I don't understand. What I do understand is if you want to raise X amount of taxes you have to have a percentage of taxes that equals X amount of taxes. It doesn't matter the method.
So, Mr. Wizard, what is the national sales tax rate you're proposing that is equivalent to the current income tax scheme? What goods and services are subject to the tax and which aren't?
You've thought about this enough to make bold claims, just provide the answers to my simple questions.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:41 am to squid_hunt
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That's not what I said. But obviously the pig doesn't like to give up his trough, so won't hold it against you.
It's exactly what you said. It's not my problem that you don't even understand your own posts.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:42 am to UncleLester
I would prefer that in order to vote citizens must:
1. Be employeed or
2. Own real property or
3. be over the age of 65 (retired)
And of course show a valid ID to vote. Yes I understand I am a racist for requiring that.
1. Be employeed or
2. Own real property or
3. be over the age of 65 (retired)
And of course show a valid ID to vote. Yes I understand I am a racist for requiring that.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:44 am to BiteMe2020
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It's exactly what you said.
Go back and read slower.
For a given amount of taxes (X) you need a specific percentage.
Like this: X = y(C)
Where y = percentage tax rate and c = sales totals.
X would obviously be based on your highly accurate and responsible budget like Congress is wont to pass from time to time when the stars align.
y is a function of X AND C.
And you said I wasn't good at math.
Moron.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:52 am to BiteMe2020
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You've thought about this enough to make bold claims, just provide the answers to my simple questions.
Again, that’s not a simple question, it is something that will have to be studied and answered by groups with access to data that we don’t even have.
If you go off of the latest tax returns, income tax revenue equals about 5k a person in the US. But we can’t even use this as a basis to try to come up with a percentage, because a millionaire is going to be paying much more than someone making 30k a year.
But as long as the sales tax was under 20%, which I would think it would be well under that, the middle class is coming out ahead
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:53 am to squid_hunt
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Go back and read slower.
You said:
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And rate is immaterial because it would obviously fluctuate because government gets greedy.
Rate doesn't matter. It's "immaterial" because on a sales tax, 100% is no different than a 2% rate. What you said.
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For a given amount of taxes (X) you need a specific percentage.
Like this: X = y(C)
Where y = percentage tax rate and c = sales totals.
X would obviously be based on your highly accurate and responsible budget like Congress is wont to pass from time to time when the stars align.
y is a function of X AND C.
And you said I wasn't good at math.
Moron.
You still suck at accounting and taxes. Again, are we now subjecting homes to sales tax? New homes only, or pre-existing homes, too. Stock purchases? Stock purchases when it's a company buying another company?
They're not currently taxed. College tuition? Painting a house? Buying a can of paint in order to paint someone else's house? The labor charge for painting someone else's house? We need answers to "do the math". You have no answers, apparently, and are just a moron.
Sales taxes are more complicated than most morons like you understand. You can end up, if you're a moron like you, with numerous layers of sales taxes.
But, I'm sure in your infinite wisdom, you've calculated all of this. Right?
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:55 am to BiteMe2020
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Sales taxes are more complicated than most morons like you understand. You can end up, if you're a moron like you, with numerous layers of sales taxes.
Again, we have many successful states to look at for this info, even if you don’t want to
From the Tennessee department of revenue:
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Generally, the sales tax applies to the retail sale of tangible personal property and certain services such as lodging services, telecommunications services and installation and repair of tangible personal property. The sales tax also applies to the sale of specified digital products, computer software, amusements, and warranty contracts covering tangible personal property and computer software maintenance contracts. The seller is liable for the tax whether it is collected from the customer or not. However, the seller may collect the tax from its customers. The sales tax applies to the sales price. The sales price is the total amount the seller requires to be paid for the product or service.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 10:58 am
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:59 am to dltigers3
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Again, we have many successful states to look at for this info, even if you don’t want to
So provide the calculations, Mr. Guru. Answer my questions.
Many liberal states still run a deficit with income and sales taxes. So, unlike the dumb frick that said rates don't matter, apparently they do. You dumb fricks haven't even answered the obviously simple question of "what is the tax rate" or the slightly more complicated question of "what is subject to the sales tax".
In some states, they place a sales tax on services, in others they don't. Which one are you?
You're just a moron parroting the "national sales tax" BS.
9 9 9 - like Herman Cain said, right?
I'm sorry that most of you are too stupid to do the math and think about the questions and details. But that's on you morons, not me.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 4/7/21 at 11:02 am to BiteMe2020
Taxes are only complicated because there's an entire system dedicated to slicing out little exemptions for everybody's buddy based on how much money they contribute to one another's campaign.
A flat sales tax eliminates a lot of that. Which gives all those Jeff Bezos out there the motive they need to oppose such a tax system as they do. Because they know that the tax system can be used to their advantage personally and otherwise and pushes out competition.
You've demonstrated how disingenuous you are because you keep lying about my statements in your pathetic attempts at discrediting a system you clearly oppose for personal reasons. You aren't arguing, you're campaigning. And you suck at it.
A flat sales tax eliminates a lot of that. Which gives all those Jeff Bezos out there the motive they need to oppose such a tax system as they do. Because they know that the tax system can be used to their advantage personally and otherwise and pushes out competition.
You've demonstrated how disingenuous you are because you keep lying about my statements in your pathetic attempts at discrediting a system you clearly oppose for personal reasons. You aren't arguing, you're campaigning. And you suck at it.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 11:02 am to dltigers3
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Again, we have many successful states to look at for this info, even if you don’t want to
From the Tennessee department of revenue:
So, are you going to copy the TN statutes or the TX statutes?
Surely you've thought this out, and aren't so dumb as to realize that many states' sales tax provisions differ.
Just answer my simple questions. Period.
What's the rate?
What's subject to the tax?
You're the genius and I'm the idiot. So you have the anawers to my questions, undoubtedly.
So just spill the beans already.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/7/21 at 11:02 am to dltigers3
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Again, we have many successful states to look at for this info, even if you don’t want to
He has no desire to see anything that works. He's only throwing rocks. His wild eyed "It will never work! It has never worked!" is a pretty strong give away that he's just trying to confuse the issue.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/7/21 at 11:05 am to squid_hunt
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Typical answer given to actually relevant questions to "national sales tax" advocates.
Another question.... when you geniuses implement the national sales tax, will the Constitutional amendment allowing income taxes be repealed?
Posted on 4/7/21 at 11:06 am to BiteMe2020
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Another question.... when you geniuses implement the national sales tax, will the Constitutional amendment allowing income taxes be repealed?
This explains why you keep repeating the same dribble. Try reading, slow train. I already answered that it would take a constitutional amendment to eliminate all other forms of tax. Or else it would just be compounded on top of everything else.
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