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In light of the new MUH Russia from the IC, let's look back at the biggest IC failure ever

Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:19 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118680 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:19 am
The Iraq War:

quote:

Much of the case for the Iraq War was based on the Bush administration’s claim that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. When the United States declared an end to the war late in 2011, more than 4,400 American military members had been killed and nearly 32,000 wounded. No weapons of mass destruction had been found.

It’s one of the most significant and catastrophic intelligence errors in U.S. history. A bipartisan commission found that U.S. intelligence “seriously misjudged” Iraq’s weapons program because of their “heavy reliance on a human source–codenamed ‘Curveball’–whose information later proved to be unreliable.” The commission wrote, “Even more misleading was the river of intelligence that flowed from the CIA to top policymakers over long periods of time–in the President’s Daily Brief (PDB)” and other reports that were “more alarmist” and “less nuanced.”

Curveball was Germany’s codename for Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, an Iraqi defector who claimed to have built mobile weapons laboratories. President George W. Bush highlighted the claims in his 2003 State of the Union address.

Secretary of State Colin Powell’s speech to the United Nations on February 5, 2003, relied heavily on Curveball’s claims. “My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence. I will cite some examples, and these are from human sources.”

Powell went on to describe Janabi’s claims at length, concluding, “This defector is currently hiding in another country with the certain knowledge that Saddam Hussein will kill him if he finds him. His eyewitness account of these mobile production facilities has been corroborated by other sources.”

Years later, Curveball admitted he had completely fabricated his claims out of a desire to oust Saddam Hussein from power.


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I along with many people were duped by our IC at the time. We believed our intelligence agencies. It was a big lie. Lie after lie.

Just think of all the infrastructure projects that war money could have built here in the U.S. and the lives that would have been saved.

There are factions in our IC that are evil. Pure evil.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57252 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:20 am to
that wasn't a failure. The IC got exactly what they wanted there
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64590 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:23 am to
The US went from chasing the Bin Laden gang to destroying a country. I think the main purpose was to have the footprint in the middle east and especially neighboring Iran. Does that make sense to anyone?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118680 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:26 am to
quote:

I think the main purpose was to have the footprint in the middle east and especially neighboring Iran. Does that make sense to anyone?




Probably the broader goal was to spend as much MIC money by any means necessary. Iraq just became a convenient foil because the IC told believable lies at the time about weapons of mass destruction. If weapons of mass destruction didn't work they would have lied about something else. They just wanted war and they got it.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57252 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:28 am to
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20106 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:33 am to
Did they know that this source was lying to them?

Did they understand that Saran Hussein’s own actions, which in HINDSIGHT is now understood as nothing more than bravado and posturing, continually indicated that he probably DID have chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, and that he did in fact desperately want so-called weapons of mass destruction.

That he did in fact have chemical weapons, lots of them, and they were found.

You are engaging in revisionist history which is by this point so firmly set in cement that it’s near impossible to get at the truth.

I agree that selective use of intelligence was used to justify a war resolution, but calling it the “biggest IC failure” is not only hyperbolic, it’s down right historically obtuse.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39399 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:37 am to
I’d argue they manipulated the WH, so in that regard it wasn’t a failure. It was a success.

The Russia hoax was different in that the administration teamed up with the IC to willfully create “intelligence” that would allow them to destroy a political enemy.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6397 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 8:46 am to
My Son in Law was a Marine Corps Officer in the White House when 9-11 occurred. Silver Star while an enlisted man in Kuwait Freedom. He took command of his own Chemical Weapons group after leaving Washington. Chemical Engineering Degree Vanderbilt. We had it figure out and then confirmed while Iraq cleanup was ongoing.

Our Back Judge on our Officiating Crew was a Body Guard for a General out of MacDill AFB (Central Command), Tampa. He would call last minute to opt out of a game.....General and staff headed to Iraq.

One night I had to ask ...."Do you know my Son in Law?" "Of course" "See him on your trips to Iraq?" "Yes I do."

Now I know what was going on. They were discovering caches of chemical weapons and both groups were going in to destroy them. Not a reporter in sight.

Remember, the UN went bonkers when the US shipped tons of yellow cake out without notifying the UN. There was a lot more in Iraq than anyone wants to talk about.
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