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re: In Crimea, Russia May Have Gotten a Jump on West by Evading U.S. Eavesdropping
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:31 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:31 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
If Clapper lied, it was a criminal act.
Hell. I don't even care if he was under oath.
WTF good is congressional oversight if improper acts can still be hidden? CLEARLY, from public reaction, had this shite seen the light of day, there would've been political pressure. Instead, basically, congress ends up "in on it". Who exactly is supposed to be taking the PUBLIC'S interest with this bull shite system?
Is it really Decatur's assertion that we should just "trust" the congress to exercise proper oversight when everything is done in secret? If that worked, then there would be no need for ANYTHING to be public that our congress does. Whether it's hearings on this stuff or hearings on energy policy. Just let them do it all in secret because after all, we elected them.....they can be trusted.
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:34 pm to SettleDown
Decatur is STILL scarce in this thread.
It sort of eliminates the idea that a person in Snowden's shoes could go thru normal channels.
Hell. CONGRESS couldn't go through normal channels without becoming targets.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:40 pm to Decatur
quote:Of course there is. Your question involves supposition after supposition after supposition. So I'll answer similarly. If Obama was competent, and if someone actually stole the information you claim Snowden did, as easily as you claim Snowden did, then the entire NSA security apparatus would have been placed under scrutiny. If Obama was competent, and if someone actually stole the information you claim Snowden did, people at the NSA would have been fired or demoted. The fact theat they weren't calls veracity of your assertions to question.
There's no IF about the question I asked you
quote:So regarding your premise, there is no real indication it's remotely accurate and/or truthful.
Please explain how you support the theft of all of highly classified and highly sensitive intelligence documents, most of which don't involve NSA surveillance.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:42 pm to Decatur
quote:You're going to have to do better than one partisan claim.
He wasn't under oath. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:03 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
If Obama was competent, and if someone actually stole the information you claim Snowden did, people at the NSA would have been fired or demoted. The fact theat they weren't calls veracity of your assertions to question.
There were.
Has nothing to do with my question regarding your support for the type and volume of documents stolen by Snowden.
quote:
So regarding your premise, there is no real indication it's remotely accurate and/or truthful.
We know for a matter of fact that David Miranda was traveling with at least 58k GCHQ docs when he was detained so, yeah, there is certainly some indication as to accuracy.
You're still stalling.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:07 pm to Decatur
Oh Decatur. Your hack presence is required in the other thread
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:12 pm to SettleDown
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Oh Decatur. Your hack presence is required in the other thread
I've pretty much stopped responding to anything that Jbird posts. Waste of time.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:13 pm to Decatur
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I've pretty much stopped responding to anything that Jbird posts. Waste of time.
How convenient given how it shoots to shite your theory that Snowden should've used normal channels. Very convenient.
Good lord. You are such a giant piece of shite.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:17 pm to SettleDown
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How convenient given how it shoots to shite your theory that Snowden should've used normal channels
Not hardly
Seems like you belong on the same list as Jbird
Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:22 pm to Decatur
quote:You say that like it wouldn't be an honor. You would have made such a good citizen in N. Korea, China or the USSR. It's so unfortunate for you to have been born in a country that at least USED TO value freedom.
Not hardly
[/b]Well then. Pointing out where that assertion is wrong should be easy for you hack.
[quote]Seems like you belong on the same list as Jbird
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:04 pm to Decatur
quote:Good. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it?
Just watch the frickin' hearing already
Now then, did Clapper lie during that testimony?
If James Clapper lied to Congress in that setting, what would his potential criminal exposure be?
It really is not complicated.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
also, if they were trusting this information to people like snowden, then that's their fricking fault
Hey now. Snowden plus a few people checking on their exes. It is for the greater good God damn it! Worth it.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:08 pm to Decatur
quote:Well, that would be interesting information for discussion. Who in the NSA was fired? Who in the NSA was demoted?quote:There were.
people at the NSA would have been fired or demoted
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:10 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Well, that would be interesting information for discussion. Who in the NSA was fired? Who in the NSA was demoted?
That's the beauty of his argument: It's top secret!
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:11 pm to ironsides
quote:Apparently it isn't.
That's the beauty of his argument: It's top secret!
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:12 pm to NC_Tigah
Again, we've already had this conversation, at least I've given you my thoughts (linked above) and I don't feel the need to rehash it here.
Why don't you go ahead and answer my question now?
Stop stalling and trying to change the subject.
Why don't you go ahead and answer my question now?
Stop stalling and trying to change the subject.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:24 pm to Decatur
quote:
at least I've given you my thoughts
quote:Let's try once again. Did Clapper lie to Congress?
Stop stalling and trying to change the subject.
If Clapper lied to Congress in that setting, what would his criminal exposure be?
quote:Who in the NSA was fired?quote:There were.
people at the NSA would have been fired or demoted
Who in the NSA was demoted?
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:28 pm to NC_Tigah
I see you're continuing to change the subject and refusing to answer my question.
Nice. Keep up the good work.
Nice. Keep up the good work.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:53 pm to Decatur
quote:Not changing the subject at all Decatur.
I see you're continuing to change the subject and refusing to answer my question.
You forwarded a highly speculative OP.
In doing so, you:
(1) Ignore this administration's negligence in anticipating the Ukraine uprising.
(2) Ignore this administration's negligence in anticipating an extraordinarily obvious Russian response to Ukrainian comments re: the Crimean naval treaty.
(3) Assume speculations as fact.
You search for a scapegoat without addressing the fact that, had this Administration done its damn job, there would never have been an opening for Russia to take the action it did, or the further actions it may still take. Crimea is not about Snowden. It is about Obama having more interest in Golf than in foreign relations.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 7:23 pm
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