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Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:30 pm to TejasHorn
Center for Immigration Studies
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Fiscal Impact
The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7
The NRC also found that the fiscal impact of immigration depends heavily on the education level of the immigrant in question.8
At the individual level, excluding any costs for their children, the NRC estimated a net lifetime fiscal drain of -$89,000 (1996 dollars) for an immigrant without a high school diploma, and a net fiscal drain of -$31,000 for an immigrant with only a high school education. However, more educated immigrants create a lifetime net fiscal benefit of +$105,000.9
A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation found that the average household headed by an illegal immigrant used nearly $14,400 more in services than it paid in taxes, for a total fiscal drain of $55 billion.
The Heritage study is absolutely clear that the fiscal costs associated with illegal immigrant households is directly related to their educational attainment. They find that illegal immigrant have on average only 10 years of schooling.
Figure 2 at the end of this testimony illustrates the importance of education. For example, it shows that 59 percent of households headed by an immigrant who has not graduated high school access one or more welfare programs, and 70 percent have no federal income tax liability. In contrast, 16 percent of households headed by an immigrant with bachelor's degree access welfare and only 21 percent had no federal income tax liability.
In a study I authored for the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), we found that if illegal immigrants were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the annual net fiscal deficit would increase to $29 billion, or $7,700 per household at the federal level.10
Illegal immigrants with little education are a significant fiscal drain, but less-educated immigrants who are legal residents are a much larger fiscal problem because they are eligible for many more programs. For this reason amnesty increases costs in the long run. Heritage's just-released study confirms the finding that amnesty would substantially increase costs over time.
In addition to tackling illegal immigrantion, we need to look at the market skill level of persons we are allowing to immigrate.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:32 pm to BamaAtl
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They commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans
When you figure in crime rates per capita of illegals to legal citizens, its a huge fricking problem. So no, they do not commit fewer crimes, Idiot.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:33 pm to BamaAtl
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Illegal immigration isn't some rampant beast, running out of control. It's decreasing, and has been for a while now.
10% of every person born in Mexico currently lives in the United States.
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They're not stealing your jobs
20% of all construction jobs are done by illegals. If you think we are the only country in the history of the world that needs 20% of construction jobs to be illegal slave wages to get something cost effective to build, or that construction isn't a job that those other 80% actually want, then you're an ignorant piece of shite. Simultaneously, if you think so lowly of illegal immigrants that they are too stupid to work their way up, and should be stuck at slave wages their entire lives, you're also a racist piece of shite as well.
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They commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans
Lolz.
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All the political harm the Republican Party did to itself in the last week? All of the human rights abuses, the harmed children? That was unnecessary.
Catch and release gave incentive to child trafficking, where Border Patrol finds 12 year olds with Plan B pills because their parents assume the coyotes will rape them. Zero tolerance stops the harm Democrats like you turn a blind eye too because you want open borders, know most sane Americans don't, so maintaining the status quo is your best option, regardless of the harm it does.
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There is no immigration problem, except for what con men sell to the gullible to stoke their fears.
If all these illegal immigrants commit less crime, won't take your job, then move to Brownsville and start a business. Cheap labor, no crime, and no human rights abuses. Don't put any locks on your doors, send your children to Brownsville public schools, tell your wife to cross the border by herself in to Matamoros every night to enjoy a drink at the local bar, and let us know how it goes. I'm sure you'll be a billionaire in no time.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:33 pm to BamaAtl
quote:i guess it depends on where you live
You are exceedingly more likely to be killed by a native-born American, in a school or otherwise, than by any illegal immigrant.
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Arizona: About 240 illegal aliens were imprisoned for homicide-related offenses. In 2009 there were 3,484 total inmates incarcerated in Arizona state prisons for homicide and related offenses (first degree murder, second degree murder, murder (old code), manslaughter, and negligent homicide). Removing the estimated 240 illegal aliens from that total leaves us with 3,244 citizens and legal residents imprisoned for homicide-related offenses out of a total population of approximately 6.3 million residents. The Pew Research Center estimates that approximately 350,000 illegal immigrants lived in Arizona in 2009. That leaves approximately 6 million citizens and legal residents in Arizona. This yields a rate of 68.57 illegal aliens imprisoned for homicide offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens in Arizona, and 54.06 citizens and legal residents imprisoned for homicide offenses per 100,000 citizens and legal residents in Arizona.
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In California, there were 28,030 inmates incarcerated for homicide and related offenses (first degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter, and vehicular manslaughter) in December 2009. Using GAO’s 2008 estimate, there were approximately 2,430 illegal aliens imprisoned in California for homicide and related offenses. The total population of California was approximately 37 million, and the illegal alien population was approximately 2.5 million. Applying the same analysis as above, this yields an estimated rate of 97.2 illegal aliens imprisoned for homicide and related offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens, and 74.1 citizens and legal residents imprisoned for homicide and related offenses per 100,000 citizens and legal residents.
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Florida incarcerated 12,684 inmates for murder and manslaughter offenses in 2008–2009. Approximately 480 were illegal aliens. The total population of Florida was approximately 18.8 million and the illegal alien population was approximately 875,000. This yields an estimated rate of 54.85 illegal aliens imprisoned for murder and manslaughter per 100,000 illegal aliens, and 67.8 legal residents imprisoned for murder and manslaughter per 100,000 legal residents.
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New York: At the beginning of 2010, there were 10,254 prisoners incarcerated in New York for murder and manslaughter offenses (murder, first-degree manslaughter, second-degree manslaughter, other homicide). Approximately 1,350 were illegal aliens. The total population of New York was approximately 19.3 million, and the illegal alien population was approximately 800,000. This yields an estimated rate of 168.75 illegal aliens incarcerated for murder and related offenses per 100,000 illegal aliens, and 48.12 legal residents incarcerated for murder and related offenses per 100,000 legal residents.
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In Texas in 2008–2009, 16,178 people were incarcerated for homicide. Approximately 900 of them were illegal aliens. The total population of Texas was roughly 25 million, and the illegal alien population was roughly 1.65 million. This yields a rate of 54.54 illegal aliens incarcerated for homicide per 100,000 illegal aliens, and 65.43 legal residents incarcerated for homicide per 100,000 legal residents.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:33 pm to BamaAtl
First, 11 million, lulz. Second if 11 million isn't a rampant beast what is?
They are stealing jobs according to your link.
Legal Immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born, which make sense given how selective we are. illegal we don't know, but if the normal socioeconomic indicators follow, they commit far more than the avaerage american. Furthermore, unreported crime is likely rampant in these communities because you can't call the police without increasing your risk of deportation.
Your links don't even address all the resources these people and more importantly their children soak up.
Like all of your posts, wrong on all fronts and in all aspects.
They are stealing jobs according to your link.
Legal Immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born, which make sense given how selective we are. illegal we don't know, but if the normal socioeconomic indicators follow, they commit far more than the avaerage american. Furthermore, unreported crime is likely rampant in these communities because you can't call the police without increasing your risk of deportation.
Your links don't even address all the resources these people and more importantly their children soak up.
Like all of your posts, wrong on all fronts and in all aspects.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:34 pm to BamaAtl
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Illegal immigration is not a problem
Let’s keep it that way.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:35 pm to BamaAtl
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They're not stealing your jobs
You are fricking dreaming if you think they are not stealing our jobs. I built my current house in 1994 with no latino labor. Try to build a house now... It will be almost 80-90% Latino labor. In industry, the latinos have taken over the insulation and painting crafts. They also have taken over a lot of "shutdown crews" in industrial maint. They are slowly taking over the tradework.
I suppose that lawn service is "work that we wont do" and also Hotel housekeeping. These are services that have been dramatically overwhelmed by the latinos.
The key here is that most are not illegals but green card holders.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:36 pm to BamaAtl
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There is no immigration problem, except for what con men sell to the gullible to stoke their fears.
I think most people in most cities in America can see there is an immigration problem...especially in the Southwest and West Coast...where everything is in Spanish, half the people on a public bus can't speak English and if you get hit by one, they drive away because they have no insurance and no driver's license...no Social Security card...but they have free education and and free health insurance.
But hey, they are imported illegal labor for big Corporations who love their 3rd world plantations right here in America.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:37 pm to bstew3006
ETA:Apologies, misread the post
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:37 pm to BamaAtl
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:39 pm to Antonio Moss
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Fiscal Impact
The National Research Council (NRC) estimated in 1996 that immigrant households (legal and illegal) create a net fiscal burden (taxes paid minus services used) on all levels of government of between $11.4 billion and $20.2 billion annually.7
Why anyone doubts this is baffling. Hell, it's probably true for the median non-college educated American in their 20s as well. And now this:
CNN Money - Mexicans in U.S. send cash home in record numbers
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Mexicans sent home $26.1 billion from January to November 2017, according to figures released Tuesday by the central bank of Mexico. That's the most ever recorded and better than the $24.1 billion sent in 2016 over the same period.
Does anyone realize that the $26.1 billion they don't spend in the US undercuts everything? Starving local economies and destroying tax revenues? Why is ANYONE okay with this?
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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That is simply untrue
I don't know how you even decipher those two sentences to describe them as untrue, I know I couldn't.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:40 pm to joeyb147
The most fricked up thing about the number of illegals incarcerated in those states is just the fact that they are incarcerated here in America at all. There shouldn't even be 1, they should have been sent packing as soon as they were arrested
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:41 pm to Turbeauxdog
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I don't know how you even decipher those two sentences to describe them as untrue, I know I couldn't.
Probably because he doesn't consider facts to be like kryptonite if I had to guess.
Maybe you should start digging a little deeper for the truth and not believe every stupid thing that is shouted out on this forum.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:43 pm to Antonio Moss
Damn, I missed your post! Did you cut me deep??? 
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:44 pm to Powerman
I don't know man. He blatantly lied about the facts he presented in the Cato study. Illegals commit far more crimes than legal immigrants. Additionally, does "natives" include Chicago and Detroit etc? If we want to draw conclusions that aren't supported by the facts presented, why don't we just say native liberals kill way more than illegal liberals who kill way more than any conservatives.
Oops...I wasn't talking about TA. I was talking about Bama.
Oops...I wasn't talking about TA. I was talking about Bama.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:44 pm to BamaAtl
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There is no immigration problem
Your posts remind of the old saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure."
(1) Crime rates are not particularly relevant stats in assessing impact of illegal immigrant crime. If a town of 20K sees a 10K "undocumented" influx, and illegal vs citizen crime rates are equivalent (which they assuredly are not), crimes committed will rise by 50%. Meaning the local police who had been 100% staffed, suddenly find themselves only 66% staffed relative to local crimes committed. That is an immigration problem.
(2) Nonetheless, accurately assessing the crime rate amongst a population of unknown size is obviously problematic. You are forwarding as accurate, a ratio with an unknown denominator.
You understand that, right?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:48 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Patently false, and a patently stupid assertion.
How do legal immigrants compare to illegals?
Lower than native-born, higher than illegal.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 4:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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You understand that, right?
NO...no he does not! He saw some liberal cuck post these articles, which push a narrative and result that he wants and linked here. Most likely didn't read said article and the BS it presented.
Basically, I have a belief/opinion, so I will need to come up with a complete BS equation to prove already said result... and do no fact checking.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 4:54 pm
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