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re: I’m gonna have to say I’m gonna have to re-evaluate my feelings on James Mattis.

Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:24 am to
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12827 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:24 am to
You should dislike Mattis more now. Along with other military leaders he fought against Trump . Looking things since Trump left it seems Trump was right .
Posted by AURaptor
South
Member since Aug 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:24 am to
Did any of you down voters even read the post?

100% agree.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35081 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:29 am to
Cool, so you're not familiar with inference. Inference is what happens when someone is being super vague and evasive in a discussion. Because you're being vague, inference is necessary to at least attempt to fill in some blanks on your side of the discussion, just simply to move the discussion forward.

Your vagueness is in the areas of both the assertion that Trump's unpatriotic, thus far without supporting info, as well as your incomplete explanation of the way that the withdrawal from Afghanistan should have ideally occurred.
This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 10:31 am
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:41 am to
Of course I'm familiar, but that isn't what you're doing.

I'm not interested in the conversation you're trying to have so you're doing something called a straw man.

Straw man is what happens when you need to make a point, but the opponent hasn't given you something to make your point.
Posted by Jdillard343434
Greenville sc
Member since Dec 2020
2302 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:46 am to
Trump did not rip the military out of Afghanistan biden did bottom line is it is all on biden and no you dip shite you didn't serve under mattis you're just a liar
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:51 am to
You're weak and you're a coward.

Get fricked.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35081 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:52 am to
quote:

Straw man is what happens when you need to make a point, but the opponent hasn't given you something to make your point.

Again, we're right back to vagueness. I couldn't make a point if I wanted to because you haven't explained yourself. I'd like to make a point sometime maybe, but unless you add to your vague assertions of Trump being unpatriotic, looks like I've hit a roadblock. Same situation with your heretofore vague assertion that the withdrawal should have been done differently, and that Trump deserves some blame.

It's almost as if you don't have any further explanation beyond the vague talking points. I guess that's a point.
This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 10:56 am
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Again, we're right back to vagueness.


There's nothing vague about it. I made a direct accusation that you're relying on straw man.
Posted by Jdillard343434
Greenville sc
Member since Dec 2020
2302 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:57 am to
You are a flaming liberal. Posing as military stolen baler. Then you are trying to act like you are gop. Well I can tell a democrat a mile away. You sir are a democrat .
This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 11:00 am
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35081 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:57 am to
Suit yourself. Because you can produce no supporting argument I'm forced to infer that the reasons for your claims against Trump are simply that he triggers you, and you really can't even figure out why.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53538 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 11:29 am to
quote:

You serious Clark? All he's done is insult people. Hell, read his first post in the thread.


OK so he's not an eloquent speaker!

Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53538 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 11:31 am to
quote:

Competence isn't necessarily a measurement against others. Trump is a terrible leader. Sure, to the people who love him he's been "owning the libs." Yeah, that's funny, but so what.

You don't always get to pick who you lead. Trump never figured that out.

As far as the "figuring it out" comment. There's still a significant part of the party who refuses to accept that Biden did beat Trump. Sloping down from there, you eventually get to a few who can admit that Trump set himself up for the L.


I disagree with your two points: Trump's leadership and admitting that "Biden did beat Trump".

I would not admit to either of those, but, will not expound on why because I'm terminating my involvement with this thread.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 11:32 am to
A whole mile? You're a smart guy.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 11:33 am to
quote:

Suit yourself.


I have, and I will. You're the one who's had difficulty with it.

quote:

I'm forced to infer


Straw man.

If you're not even intellectually honest enough to admit that...well, there should be no mystery about my lack of interest in a conversation with you.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 11:35 am to
quote:

I would not admit to either of those


That's fine.

I doubt a convincing defense could be mounted for either.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35081 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 11:37 am to
quote:

Straw man.

If you're not even intellectually honest enough to admit that..

Asking you to expound on your claims is a "straw man"? That's what you're going with?
quote:

well, there should be no mystery about my lack of interest in a conversation with you.

I don't blame you for running off.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Asking you to expound on your claims is a "straw man"? That's what you're going with?


Misrepresenting what I've said to make your points is a straw man.

There's no "going with" that. It's what it is. That's the accepted definition of the concept.

quote:

I don't blame you for running off.


There you go "inferring" again.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35081 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 12:02 pm to
You can dip duck and dodge all you want, but I ain't forgetting that you have zero supporting, evidence, hell not even any supporting thoughts when it comes to your claims that "Trump's not a patriot" and "Trump bears responsibility" and that "A slow trickle out of the country is as stupid as it gets"......just hollow talking points.

Strange for such a smart guy.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

I ain't forgetting that you have zero supporting, evidence, hell not even any supporting thoughts


You're conflating my refusal to participate in your conversation with a lack of ability to do so.

You've been wailing about how I've responded, when you really should've been thinking about how you could appropriately advance the discussion.

Straw man ain't it.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35081 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 12:16 pm to
Oh you've been participating. You've put a good bit of effort into demonstrating that you got nothin. Zero.
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