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re: If there was ever a Vatican III. What changes should be made to the Church?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:51 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:51 am to burger bearcat
There should be no Vatican or a Pope. The church (Christians) is the body of Christ and we do not need a mere man elevating himself above everyone else as if he were some Supreme Holy being.
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Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:53 am to Areddishfish
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Not Catholic, but the last handful of masses I went to for special occasions, the message that was clearly communicated was a works emphasized salvation.
At best you misunderstood the message because Catholics consistently harp on the fact that you can't call yourself a faithful Christian unless you live your faith. That often means works. There are way too many Christians out there - Catholics very much included - that call themselves Christians but don't behave like Christians. They live debauched, unethical, and morally bankrupt lifestyles that go against everything that Christ gave to the Church via the Deposit of Faith.
It's one thing to say you're a faithful Christian, but quite another to prove you're a faithful Christian via your every day actions.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:55 am to McLemore
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Get rid of the abject pagan heresies, starting with returning to a Biblical view of justification by faith and remove idol worship.
Just minor tweaks.
Seems some don’t like the truth you speak. We can trace all of this back to Constantine and his merging together Pagán Rome with Christianity to form an abomination.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:55 am to catholictigerfan
quote:Or divorced.
Once someone dies they are free to remarry anyone as long as the spouse isn't in a current marriage.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:56 am to Bulldogblitz
quote:Almost all are divorced. If not, they are damaged
Their choices are naturally limited. 40 years is a long time.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:57 am to FlexDawg
quote:
The church (Christians) is the body of Christ and we do not need a mere man elevating himself above everyone else as if he were some Supreme Holy being.
So in this world where no worldly authority for Christians exists, one of two things has to be true:
1. Doctrine does not matter
or
2. There can be conflicting doctrine
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:58 am to AlxTgr
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The stance on divorce could be looked at. Let's say someone loses their spouse to cancer after 40. Their choices for a new relationship are severely limited, and the annulment process is a joke.
If we change a “stance” because it is sometimes difficult to be subject to, we should just throw it out completely, because we don’t mean it at all.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:59 am to FlexDawg
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We can trace all of this back to Constantine and his merging together Pagán Rome with Christianity to form an abomination.
Read the writings of the first and second century Church Fathers - men who predate the Edict of Milan by 200+ years - and then get back to me. You will find the Church prior to the Council of Nicaea (325) looks very much like the Church in the post-Nicene era.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:03 am to burger bearcat
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If there was ever a Vatican III. What changes should be made to the Church?
The Bible is the only source and authority necessary. ALL doctrine must be supported by it through sound existential hermeneutical reading and understanding of scripture, or it is not of God.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:05 am to Stitches
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Wasn't aware that Catholics worship idols. This is news to me.
You should educate yourself then.
Exodus 20:4
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Leviticus 26:1
26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.
Deuteronomy 4:16-19
16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:
19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
Acts 17:29
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:06 am to Mike da Tigah
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The Bible is the only source and authority necessary.
Please show me where in the Bible it says this.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 9:07 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:09 am to FlexDawg
You'd have a point if Catholics were worshiping those images. As it stands, they are not. Graven images are worshiped; a statue of the Virgin Mary is not worshiped. It is a tool used by Catholics to assist them in their prayers to God.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:10 am to RollTide1987
quote:
So in this world where no worldly authority for Christians exists, one of two things has to be true:
1. Doctrine does not matter
or
2. There can be conflicting doctrine
The King James Bible is 100% Gods word. There is no need for a Pope.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:11 am to RollTide1987
quote:
You'd have a point if Catholics were worshiping those images. As it stands, they are not. Graven images are worshiped; a statue of the Virgin Mary is not worshiped. It is a tool used by Catholics to assist them in their prayers to God.
Read those verses again. There are no exceptions to graven images.
Exodus 20:4
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 9:13 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:12 am to FlexDawg
He's referring to worshipping the object itself, i.e. the golden calf. Catholics don't worship statues. The statues are artistic devices to give a person a physical image of what is being depicted.
Do you have pictures of your mother, father, siblings in your house? Alrighty then.......
Do you have pictures of your mother, father, siblings in your house? Alrighty then.......
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:13 am to Stitches
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven
You have a comprehension issue?
You have a comprehension issue?
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:13 am to RollTide1987
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Please show me where in the Bible it says this.
You’ll find that in what Christ referenced when he spoke to everyone, “THE WORD” of God because HE is The Word of God. He spoke to all men referencing the scriptures. Paul did the same, as did everyone thereafter Christ. They told the story of Christ (The Gospel) and they supported everything by the scriptures which He fulfilled, NOT of their own.
The fact of the matter is, nothing Christ said or did deviated from scripture. So, if you are going to introduce doctrines and practices in your church it had better be supported and support scripture or it is NOT of God. It’s a golden calf.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:16 am to FlexDawg
What about the original KJV that contained the Deuteronomical books before being removed as Protestants attempted to further distance themselves from Catholic teachings. I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:18 am to Mike da Tigah
Don't bloviate and bore me with your own platitudes. Show me where in the Bible it says that Scripture is the Christian's sole rule of faith when it comes to matters of doctrine. I want book, chapter, and verse that include those very words.
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