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Posted on 3/8/17 at 6:53 pm to northshorebamaman
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Because that's how humanity works, dawgfan. Children are raised by parents and usually accompany them wherever they choose to live. They're minors, so there opinion on the matter only carries as much weight as the parents allowed. Children of immigrants have always been considered immigrants and they always will, your opinion not withstanding. To compare children traveling with their parents to the slave trade is silly.
It's the lefties who are being silly for claiming that slaves aren't immigrants simply because they didn't come to the USA of their own free will.
It's the lefties who are being silly for trashing and ridiculing Dr. Carlson because he called slaves immigrants but won't admit that Obama also called slaves immigrants.
I'm just pointing out if slaves aren't immigrants simply because they didn't come to the USA of their own free will then it follows that Dreamers also aren't immigrants because they didn't come to the USA of their own free will.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:42 pm to DawgfaninCa
It's unsettling that you are so comfortable making a purely semantics-based argument with no regard for what [I assume you realize] the left's underlying point actually is.
Even if we concede that slaves fit the technical definition of one who immigrates to a new land, you have to concede that an unequivocally different emotion is elicited when an individual considers the idea of immigration as opposed to when they consider the idea of slavery. For good reason. And a public official conflating those two is just flat out dumb.
Further, you're badly missing the forest for the trees here if you actually believe that the entire argument of the left rests solely on slaves not coming here of their own free will. The evils of slavery go far beyond simply removing the free will of those individuals victimized by it. What we did to them once they were no longer free is absolutely terrifying. It's an evil that virtually no immigrant would ever have to endure, and one that no human being ever should.
Stop focusing on semantics, take a step back, and evaluate whether or not you truly believe that Carson's comments were appropriate. This whole thing could have been avoided if he simply chose his words more wisely.
Even if we concede that slaves fit the technical definition of one who immigrates to a new land, you have to concede that an unequivocally different emotion is elicited when an individual considers the idea of immigration as opposed to when they consider the idea of slavery. For good reason. And a public official conflating those two is just flat out dumb.
Further, you're badly missing the forest for the trees here if you actually believe that the entire argument of the left rests solely on slaves not coming here of their own free will. The evils of slavery go far beyond simply removing the free will of those individuals victimized by it. What we did to them once they were no longer free is absolutely terrifying. It's an evil that virtually no immigrant would ever have to endure, and one that no human being ever should.
Stop focusing on semantics, take a step back, and evaluate whether or not you truly believe that Carson's comments were appropriate. This whole thing could have been avoided if he simply chose his words more wisely.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 8:49 am to funnystuff
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It's unsettling that you are so comfortable making a purely semantics-based argument with no regard for what the left's [i]underlying point actually is.
It's unsettling that lefties are acting like Dr. Carlson doesn't know anything about slavery simply because he called slaves immigrants with no regard for what [I assume you realize] Dr. Carlson's underlying point actually is.
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Even if we concede that slaves fit the technical definition of one who immigrates to a new land, you have to concede that an unequivocally different emotion is elicited when an individual considers the idea of immigration as opposed to when they consider the idea of slavery. For good reason. And a public official conflating those two is just flat out dumb.
This is the lefty crap I'm talking about.
You act like Dr. Carlson is so dumb he doesn't know how horrible slavery is.
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Further, you're badly missing the forest for the trees here if you actually believe that the entire argument of the left rests solely on slaves not coming here of their own free will. The evils of slavery go far beyond simply removing the free will of those individuals victimized by it. What we did to them once they were no longer free is absolutely terrifying. It's an evil that virtually no immigrant would ever have to endure, and one that no human being ever should.
Duh.
That goes without saying.
I don't need you to momsplain it to me.
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Stop focusing on semantics, take a step back, and evaluate whether or not you truly believe that Carson's comments were appropriate. This whole thing could have been avoided if he simply chose his words more wisely.
The whole thing could be avoided if you lefties stop acting like what Dr. Carlson said inferred that he thought someone being brought to the USA as a slave is the same as someone immigrating to the USA of their own free will.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 3/9/17 at 8:49 am to DawgfaninCa
So children = slaves in your world? Gotcha.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:00 am to DuncanIdaho
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So children = slaves in your world? Gotcha.
For all practical purposes, children are slaves to their parents in most of the world - mow the lawn, shovel the snow, rake the leaves, wash the dishes, get me this, get me that, don't talk until you are talked to, you can't leave the house or property without our permission, etc.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 1:11 pm
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