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re: If both political parties are on the side of Labor, what does this mean for capitalism?

Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:38 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293233 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:38 am to
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the investor/corporate class should form their own political party and outvote the rest of us


Bernie would agree with you in this thread.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62147 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:38 am to
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You are the one who said this eariler in the thread.

"The only absolute true free market in theory would be open borders globalization"


That is an accurate statement.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293233 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:39 am to
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I’m not a conservative because conservatism does not exist anymore.


Neither does liberalism but the effects and tenets are still there.

Automation and AI will do far more damage tot he worker than immigrants.

Do you support banning AI and automation?
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:40 am to
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"The only absolute true free market in theory would be open borders globalization"


Under the terms that SFP laid out in the OP and repeatedly in this thread, that is the only mechanism to achieve his vision of free market.

What are you arguing against? Please give me a detailed explanation of where I’m wrong.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62147 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:40 am to
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Automation and AI will do far more damage tot he worker than immigrants.


This is an argument against further immigration.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293233 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:40 am to
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The fact you think I do not is as ridiculous as your posts promoting an absolute free for all.


Youre arguing FOR them in this thread, that all I got to go on.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40051 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:40 am to
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The only absolute true free market in theory would be open borders globalization


How is that not truly free market?
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5605 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:40 am to
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You just contradicted this statement:



How so? Corporations enslaving people, as Kilroy suggested, is anti free market.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293233 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:40 am to
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This is an argument against further immigration.


What about automation?

Should dockworkers be protected from innovation?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293233 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:41 am to
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When The Shrub starts throwing out "Union lovers/baws"


It always strikes a nerve with you.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:41 am to
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And the version of America I want to conserve is so far in the rear view mirror it would require an American Francisco Franco to achieve it.


I may vote for him...
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62147 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:41 am to
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How so? Corporations enslaving people, as Kilroy suggested, is anti free market.


Because that's what H1B visas are. The corporation owns that person's citizenship.
Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
3402 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:42 am to
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Bernie would agree with you in this thread.


Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40051 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:42 am to
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How so? Corporations enslaving people, as Kilroy suggested, is anti free market.



So you want government intervention to prevent that from happening?


Uh oh
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:42 am to
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Neither does liberalism but the effects and tenets are still there.


Woke corporate tyranny is liberalism distilled in its final form.

quote:

Do you support banning AI and automation?


To the extent it is detrimental to the nation? Sure

But I would only trust a monarch with absolute power to make such decisions
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 11:44 am
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
73720 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:42 am to
Well we have lots of controls and regs and laws concerning markets, capital and corporations.
With them we have the biggest economy on the planet. Without any controls what would we have? A corporate utopia? A Rollerball world?

We also have the 6 major corps controlling almost all media, all arms production and all pharmaceutical products.

Pure this or pure that doesn't exist in real economics.

Do we want the Big 6 to continue as is or do we want change?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293233 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:43 am to
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Woke corporate tyranny is liberalism distilled in its final form.


Oh dear god...
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:44 am to
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Youre arguing FOR them in this thread, that all I got to go on.


Look, I know you are completely binary which makes it impossible to have any sort of productive discussion. Just try and think a little bit.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40051 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:45 am to
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Just try and think a little bit.


That's increasingly hard to do for someone who has abused drugs as much as he has.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:45 am to
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It always strikes a nerve with you.


No, it doesn't.

It makes me laugh at you.
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