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re: If Biden won 2020 legitimately
Posted on 7/22/26 at 3:28 pm to CrystalPreserves
Posted on 7/22/26 at 3:28 pm to CrystalPreserves
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My standard is simple - show credible, independently verifiable evidence of unlawful votes or tabulation errors large enough to change the certified result. I would accept it. That is the evidentiary distance your argument still has not crossed.
So would we - we would accept any credible examination of the evidence -
You have just defined the problem The same folks who controlled the counting process have the data stored away are the ones who will not allow anyone to look at their data UNLESS they can PROVE there are enough ILLEGAL votes to change the OUTCOME.
IF they were absolutely sure they had NOT tampered with the ballots they's be shoving those damn ballots in anyone faces who even hinted at some sort of impropriety.
But I'm now done with you - for you to make such a self defeating stataemtnat after all tyour vaunted rhetoric is more than I care to continue.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 4:04 pm to ChineseBandit58
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I'm done with you - unless you make at least one salient point in defense of the democrat action over the past decade.

Posted on 7/22/26 at 4:46 pm to ChineseBandit58
You finally put a few concrete questions on the table, so let’s answer them without all the fluff and scenery.
You asked what the investigations of Trump produced. Impeachments, indictments, testimony, records, judicial findings, and jury verdicts do not disappear because you believe they were politically motivated. You are free to argue that a particular case was weak, unfair, defective, or wrongly decided. But “I reject the result” is not the same as “there was never a scintilla of evidence.”
You also asked what the evidence against Trump consisted of and where it originated. That depends on the case. The proper way to address it is to identify the evidence, examine its source, and explain why it fails. You have not done that here. You declared the entire body of adverse material fabricated in advance and then asked me to prove I am not partisan.
Now, to state your election position fairly - you are not saying ordinary citizens must personally solve the case. You are saying suspicious circumstances justified a fuller investigation and that the people controlling the records prevented meaningful examination.
I understand that position. It still does not prove the election was stolen. Suspicion may justify investigation. A credible claim of obstruction may justify further scrutiny. But the claim that decisive evidence was hidden is itself a factual claim requiring support. Otherwise every failure to find proof becomes proof that the proof was concealed. That is not an investigation. It is a conclusion built so no result can ever dislodge it. You also accuse me of eagerly believing every allegation against Trump while admitting you do not follow what I write and are judging from the occasional comment you happen to see. So that charge is not based on evidence either. It is based on the partisan role you assigned me because I will not accept your conclusion without proof. And now you say you are finished unless I defend Democratic conduct over the past decade.
That was never the question. I do not need to defend Democrats to identify a hole in your argument, and evidence does not become stronger because the person questioning it has criticized the correct politicians often enough for your liking.
So I’ll accept your decision to be done, bubba. You came in demanding evidence, ended by demanding a loyalty certificate, and somewhere along the way your election argument slipped out of the saddle.
You asked what the investigations of Trump produced. Impeachments, indictments, testimony, records, judicial findings, and jury verdicts do not disappear because you believe they were politically motivated. You are free to argue that a particular case was weak, unfair, defective, or wrongly decided. But “I reject the result” is not the same as “there was never a scintilla of evidence.”
You also asked what the evidence against Trump consisted of and where it originated. That depends on the case. The proper way to address it is to identify the evidence, examine its source, and explain why it fails. You have not done that here. You declared the entire body of adverse material fabricated in advance and then asked me to prove I am not partisan.
Now, to state your election position fairly - you are not saying ordinary citizens must personally solve the case. You are saying suspicious circumstances justified a fuller investigation and that the people controlling the records prevented meaningful examination.
I understand that position. It still does not prove the election was stolen. Suspicion may justify investigation. A credible claim of obstruction may justify further scrutiny. But the claim that decisive evidence was hidden is itself a factual claim requiring support. Otherwise every failure to find proof becomes proof that the proof was concealed. That is not an investigation. It is a conclusion built so no result can ever dislodge it. You also accuse me of eagerly believing every allegation against Trump while admitting you do not follow what I write and are judging from the occasional comment you happen to see. So that charge is not based on evidence either. It is based on the partisan role you assigned me because I will not accept your conclusion without proof. And now you say you are finished unless I defend Democratic conduct over the past decade.
That was never the question. I do not need to defend Democrats to identify a hole in your argument, and evidence does not become stronger because the person questioning it has criticized the correct politicians often enough for your liking.
So I’ll accept your decision to be done, bubba. You came in demanding evidence, ended by demanding a loyalty certificate, and somewhere along the way your election argument slipped out of the saddle.
This post was edited on 7/22/26 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 7/22/26 at 5:06 pm to CrystalPreserves
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CrystalPreserves
This a-hole is the last post in this thread every fricking time I look at it.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 5:16 pm to RohanGonzales
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RohanGonzales
Well bubba baw I don’t know what to tell you. They ask. I oblige. Maybe stop looking?
Posted on 7/22/26 at 5:24 pm to CrystalPreserves
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You finally put a few concrete questions on the table
Your incapacity to approach this simple situation is now beyond repair - Stay with "no evidence" = that will damage your remaining brain power less than trying to make a cogent argument of the Democrats positions - positions that declare is a loud voice " WE CHEAT - ALWAYS HAVE - ALWAYS WILL - and don't your DARE think we are going to agree to prevent ILLEGAL ALIENs vote in our national elections then you better think again.
new motto:
WE WILL TURN OURSELVES INTO DEVOTED COMMUNISTS before we will turn loose our ace in the hole for close elections.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 6:55 pm to ChineseBandit58
That’s quite a speech, bubba.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t answer a single point I made.
You asked what evidence existed against Trump. I answered.
You asked why suspicion is not the same as proof. I answered.
You asked me to state your election position fairly. I did.
Your response was not to identify where my reasoning failed. It was to announce that Democrats “always cheat,” “always will,” and are secretly confessing it. Those are conclusions. They are not evidence.
You’ve spent this entire exchange insisting that hidden evidence, unseen evidence, or inaccessible evidence should persuade me. Yet when I asked you to apply the same evidentiary standard to claims about Trump, you dismissed every adverse finding out of hand.
That inconsistency was my point on the first day, and it remains my point now.
If your answer to every request for evidence is another accusation and every challenge is another insult, then you’ve stopped making an argument. You’re simply repeating a conclusion and treating repetition as proof.
Maybe nc tigah can whip up one of his cute little memes for this, bubba. I’d suggest one with two fellas hauling a wheelbarrow full of conclusions while the evidence strolls past tipping its hat. Seems to fit the trail you’ve both been riding.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t answer a single point I made.
You asked what evidence existed against Trump. I answered.
You asked why suspicion is not the same as proof. I answered.
You asked me to state your election position fairly. I did.
Your response was not to identify where my reasoning failed. It was to announce that Democrats “always cheat,” “always will,” and are secretly confessing it. Those are conclusions. They are not evidence.
You’ve spent this entire exchange insisting that hidden evidence, unseen evidence, or inaccessible evidence should persuade me. Yet when I asked you to apply the same evidentiary standard to claims about Trump, you dismissed every adverse finding out of hand.
That inconsistency was my point on the first day, and it remains my point now.
If your answer to every request for evidence is another accusation and every challenge is another insult, then you’ve stopped making an argument. You’re simply repeating a conclusion and treating repetition as proof.
Maybe nc tigah can whip up one of his cute little memes for this, bubba. I’d suggest one with two fellas hauling a wheelbarrow full of conclusions while the evidence strolls past tipping its hat. Seems to fit the trail you’ve both been riding.
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