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re: I know Trump was under tremendous pressure, but he shouldn’t have shut us down.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:40 pm to longwayfromLA
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:40 pm to longwayfromLA
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Trump didn't shut much down, state and local governments did. More important, even before they got around to it, many large private organizations made the choice to discontinue work that couldn't be sustainably continue in the face of the virus.
President Trump Declares State of Emergency for COVID-19
3/25/2020
Game - Set - Match
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:41 pm to Revelator
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Actually I didn’t. I said he should have never encouraged any shut down.
You know what would have happened then right?
Every single death would have been attributed to who?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:41 pm to jnethe1
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Was it a forced guideline?
You didn’t say anything about a forced shut down and neither did I. You keep moving the goalpost.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:43 pm to jnethe1
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Every single death would have been attributed to who?
And thats still happening now and will continue to happen for infinity.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:43 pm to Revelator
I’m asking a question, did the federal government force the states to shutdown?
And did the federal government force the cities/states to continue their shutdown after the 14 days?
What cities and states imposed their own shutdown prior to the federal one?
And did the federal government force the cities/states to continue their shutdown after the 14 days?
What cities and states imposed their own shutdown prior to the federal one?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:44 pm to Revelator
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And thats still happening now and will continue to happen for infinity.
I know, but when you talk about the facts of the entire handling by trump you can’t actually come to such a conclusion.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:45 pm to jnethe1
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Every single death would have been attributed to who?
To the fricking FLU!
I mean since when does DJT care about being labeled as something. Jezze petes they called him a racist for shutting down flights from China in Jan. His actions when shite got real don't reflex his past four years mantra. I called his bluff in 2016, chickens are coming home to roost.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:45 pm to highbooost
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To the fricking FLU!
How?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:46 pm to jnethe1
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I’m asking a question, did the federal government force the states to shutdown?
I’ve answered this numerous times before. No the Feds didn’t force a shutdown of the states because its was probably out of their legal powers to do so.
But yes, the Feds did give strong encouragement for states to shut down and passed Bills to encourage said shut downs.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:47 pm to Revelator
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:49 pm to jnethe1
I’m asking a question, did the federal government force the states to shutdown?
And did the federal government force the cities/states to continue their shutdown after the 14 days?
What cities and states imposed their own shutdown prior to the federal one?
No, they didn't the help perpetrate it.
Well no, but when you march the scarf queen and dr fricki up there every day telling us all we are going to die, you are trying to suede people the other way.
All of them, and each was unconstitutional...that is when the admin should have stepped in wrapped in the constitution and threatened arrest of governors in violation.
You see Trump was damned in March just as he is now in May. The only difference is the frickING mess we have now.
And did the federal government force the cities/states to continue their shutdown after the 14 days?
What cities and states imposed their own shutdown prior to the federal one?
No, they didn't the help perpetrate it.
Well no, but when you march the scarf queen and dr fricki up there every day telling us all we are going to die, you are trying to suede people the other way.
All of them, and each was unconstitutional...that is when the admin should have stepped in wrapped in the constitution and threatened arrest of governors in violation.
You see Trump was damned in March just as he is now in May. The only difference is the frickING mess we have now.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:53 pm to Revelator
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I’m asking a question, did the federal government force the states to shutdown?
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I’ve answered this numerous times before. No the Feds didn’t force a shutdown of the states because its was probably out of their legal powers to do so.
No, you said it was a federal guideline. Never said whether or not it was mandated. Which is why I was asking.
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But yes, the Feds did give strong encouragement for states to shut down and passed Bills to encourage said shut downs.
They did encourage a shutdown, but there was no mandate. Why? Because each and every state/city is different. It would have been irresponsible for the feds to provide an approach for the entire country. So instead they have guidelines.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:54 pm to Zach
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What executive order did Trump initiate to shut down anything? What was the enforcement clause of this ordinance?
With great power comes great responsibility.
It's not what they did, it's what they didn't do.
when will Trumpest figure this out, he is not a good guy in this story.Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:55 pm to Crimson1st
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So in essence, anyone who wants to Monday Morning QB this mess was likely never going to be in Trump's corner anyway because anyone looking at this reasonably would understand the circumstances and chalk things up to a shitty situation that was a tough call and even tougher with the way the Diarrhmedia spews its non-sense.
I coming at this from the perspective of a Trump supporter who fears he’s made a decision based on bad advice that could doom him. I’m not trying to place blame on Trump. No one man should ever have this much weight thrown on his lap.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:55 pm to highbooost
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All of them, and each was unconstitutional...that is when the admin should have stepped in wrapped in the constitution and threatened arrest of governors in violation.
We must honor federalism, each and every state should have the ability to act according to its own problems/abilities to handle said problems.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:56 pm to jnethe1
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They did encourage a shutdown, but there was no mandate. Why? Because each and every state/city is different. It would have been irresponsible for the feds to provide an approach for the entire country. So instead they have guidelines.
You are deviating far from the OP. Go back and read it.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:57 pm to highbooost
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President Trump Declares State of Emergency for COVID-19
3/25/2020
That isn't how anything works. or asked another way. what exactly did that shut down? Maybe some federal departments, but all the business that are closed around the country that are subject of all this protesting were shutdown at the direction of governors, mayors and CEOs.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:57 pm to Revelator
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I coming at this from the perspective of a Trump supporter who fears he’s made a decision based on bad advice that could doom him.
He didn’t make a decision, he provided guidelines that the states could or could not follow. The states and local governments then did what they felt was the right course of action. Which is in accordance to federalism.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:59 pm to Revelator
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You are deviating far from the OP. Go back and read it.
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I know Trump was under tremendous pressure, but he shouldn’t have shut us down.
Again, trump did not force anyone to shut down.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:00 pm to jnethe1
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He didn’t make a decision
He’s made many decisions and makes new ones every day which he outlines in daily press briefings.
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