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re: I just listened to Mark Levin's Friday podcast and I'm shocked at his position on trade.

Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:37 am to
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:37 am to
None of this is new news. Most intelligent political observers have known about this for years. Bill Clinton is the one who really set all of this in motion and released restrictions on allowing our intellectual property to leave the country and go straight to China ... and when he did we all knew this was coming.

For years prior to Clinton, dating back to even the Carter Administration, China had been stealing whatever they could get their hands on, making knock-offs, and selling counterfeit goods on the black market.

From I'd say at least around 1976 or so, and well into the 80s, China flooded markets with counterfeit records and later CDs. They flooded the market with counterfeit Ralph Lauren apparel, counterfeit jeans, shirts and jackets by the boatloads. Counterfeit watches. Counterfeit colognes. If they could buy it on the open market and reproduce a cheap knockoff they would do it.

Back in the 70s I remember the joke being that the only thing they really cared about looking really genuine and having any semblance of quality to it at all ... was the tag or the label. The packaging basically.

So all of this has been a problem and been coming for a long time.

It's way past due. Trump is absolutely doing the right thing. China is not good ... it's a dangerous country with world domination and Communiism it's goal. They have stolen trillions from us over the decades and consider us fools.

While we worry about things in terms of days or weeks or even months ... things like the stock market or Syria or whatever, China makes 100 year plans and then they execute those plans patiently because they know we'll eventually self destruct on every level ... and we are.

Trump is 100% right ... although our fall to China is inevitable. The next Clinton or Obama will come along and finish the job ... and the Chinese know that. They are jot worried.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118691 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:03 am to
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None of this is new news. Most intelligent political observers have known about this for years.


Yes you are correct. In fact Mark Levin was reading an analysis that was 12 years old that is still pertinent today.

Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:25 am to
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I'll never understand "nationalists" being mad about China looking out for China


Nationalists aren’t mad about China looking out for China.
We want the USA to look out for the USA.
That reply is so obvious it pained me to type it.
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:33 am to
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a multilateral trade agreement including all their neighbors with particularly strong IP protection would have been the ideal long-term move, if we were really concerned about this




I had real issues with the TPP, but engagement with china is going to work a lot better than not engaging with them. We aren't the only ones with skin in the IP game with China. They aggressively steal IP from Korea and Japan, not just the US. And they aren't the only one that steal IP. India does this shite too.

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90530 posts
Posted on 4/9/18 at 3:00 pm to
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Nobody made Boeing do anything

Boeing chose to do what they wanted because it was good for Boeing

I'll never understand "nationalists" being mad about China looking out for China

Tariff the shite out of them, and they'll still keep looking out for China

Calling out for "fairness" is what weak entities do. It's embarrassing.


I have no problem with China looking out for their best interests. I just ask American leadership to do the same here.

China won't buy Boeing from the US as an import. Instead for Boeing to have market access they require Boeinh to build a plant there, then China will steal the technology and kick Boeing out to produce their own planes. They will subsidize it and undercut a lot of Boeings markets in the rest of the world. To protect an American company after China inevitably does this, tariffs on Chinese built planes will be necessary. If China does not do this, and allows Boeing to keep producing planes, tariffs will not be needed. It's that simple and Trump is correct in his approach
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