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re: Horowitz actually testified there was no bias because ..
Posted on 12/11/19 at 4:51 pm to southdowns84
Posted on 12/11/19 at 4:51 pm to southdowns84
He asked people if they had bias. They said no.
Lol
Lol
Posted on 12/11/19 at 4:54 pm to BeefDawg
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Nonsense.
If someone goes, “No really, the water I poured on him was dry.”
I’m quite certain everyone on the planet can indisputably confirm that was a lie, and because it was a lie they can also confirm the motive, as dishonesty logically purports malicious intent. And all that unquestionably also confirms the bias.
No, the problem here is that Horowitz is a fricking swamp rat covering for the swamp. It’s absolutely asinine that he couldn’t conclude animus bias from people who broke rules and laws and even openly stated their goddamn negative feelings with words in the process of trying to undermine and ruin Trump and his surrogates.
You're disagreeing with a fairly straight forward concept here.
Look up the terms "positive assurance" and "negative assurance" if you want to fully understand the meaning of the IG report regarding bias.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 5:05 pm to roadGator
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He asked people if they had bias. They said no.
Lol
This is the wording verbatim from executive summary of the IG report:
"We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions to open the four individual investigations."
Help me understand how you are interpreting that to mean he concluded that bias positively did not exist?
BTW, the same exact paragraph explains why the evidence found on Page and Strzok was insufficient.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 5:28 pm to BeefDawg
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I have never felt truly hateful about anything in my life, but I honestly hate these people. This is so beyond absurd and evil I fricking hate it and I can’t wait for everyone who perpetrated and everyone perpetuating this shite to burn in hell.
Same with me. I’ve never been an overly political person, but I have been seething about this sham for almost three years. Wife tells me to calm down about it, but frick!
Maybe the Ds are putting the country through this to prepare us for what it’s gonna be like when we go to full blown socialism.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 5:34 pm to Centinel
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Well, I mean, that's about all he can do
Makes sense. So wouldn’t it be best to not come to a conclusion on motivation?
Posted on 12/11/19 at 5:58 pm to Strannix
Horowitz found exactly what Horowitz was looking for: nothing
Posted on 12/11/19 at 6:01 pm to Strannix
He had no subpoena power. And I'm not sure if the answers,if what you are intimating is true, were under oath.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 6:30 pm to FlexDawg
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Makes sense. So wouldn’t it be best to not come to a conclusion on motivation?
Oh yeah, that absolutely needs to happen.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 7:00 pm to Strannix
Something to consider: If you were being ordered to do something, in this case justify a FISA by any means necessary, would it be fair to say that the order was the impetus and not the bias?
I like to think that for most people, the threat to their freedom, livelihood, and reputation would preclude them from breaking the law regardless of how bias they are. It takes a true believer to go that far, though I suppose there’s some evidence for that.
I’m not ruling out anti-Trump bias as the reason the FBI went so far out of the bounds of legality. Rather, given the cast of characters at the top (Yates, Lynch, Comey, Clapper, Baker, Brennan, et al) I think it’s far more likely that the order to secure the FISA warrants came from much further up. Evidence of which would be outside of Horowitz‘s purview.
So while there might be bias there, indeed the entire team seems to have been built upon it, Horowitz’s finding that bias didn’t drive the investigation might still be true.
I like to think that for most people, the threat to their freedom, livelihood, and reputation would preclude them from breaking the law regardless of how bias they are. It takes a true believer to go that far, though I suppose there’s some evidence for that.
I’m not ruling out anti-Trump bias as the reason the FBI went so far out of the bounds of legality. Rather, given the cast of characters at the top (Yates, Lynch, Comey, Clapper, Baker, Brennan, et al) I think it’s far more likely that the order to secure the FISA warrants came from much further up. Evidence of which would be outside of Horowitz‘s purview.
So while there might be bias there, indeed the entire team seems to have been built upon it, Horowitz’s finding that bias didn’t drive the investigation might still be true.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 7:13 pm to southdowns84
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Help me understand how you are interpreting that to mean he concluded that bias positively did not exist?
I’m not. I was being sarcastic. Chicken. Get us the sarcasm font
Posted on 12/11/19 at 7:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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Acceptance of Horowitz's testimony requires massive credulity.
Or a disappointing case of symptomatic "Pollyanna-ism."
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 12/11/19 at 7:49 pm to roadGator
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I’m not. I was being sarcastic. Chicken. Get us the sarcasm font
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