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Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:33 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Taking religion out of the discussion, don't you think there are words of wisdom and lessons of life contained in the Bible that you can learn from?
Page for page, I bet the Giving Tree has more wisdom than the Bible.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:36 pm to Jcorye1
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Page for page, I bet the Giving Tree has more wisdom than the Bible.
If you think that then I'd bet you haven't read the entire Bible.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Taking religion out of the discussion, don't you think there are words of wisdom and lessons of life contained in the Bible that you can learn from?
Yes, I agree, there are worthwhile lessons to be learned from the Bible.
My qualm is when those "lessons" are taken to extremes.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:53 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:it's an easy answer. And yes is very simple logic that spending a ton to try to deny is stupid.
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if you need a link for basic logic there's no hope for you
Typical response for someone that can't defend a position.
I guess the logic is so basic that this study and all the other related studies were just a big waste of time, huh? Some jackass on tiger droppings has all the answers.
The simple logic you have to deny is this.
People choose to act. They can say they feel an impulse to do A, but they have to make a conscious choice to act on that impulse.
Otherwise your position is that man cannot choose, and is the slave of his impulses.
Is that your position? Will you seek to find someone who will tell you how to think in order to respond?
Or are you man enough to enter the arena. Be advised if you do, I don't play nice.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:56 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If you think that then I'd bet you haven't read the entire Bible.
Well, frankly, unless you know some classical Hebrew, you've never read the entire thing either.
As far as the translations, yes I've read it. I grew up in a religious household. I think you forget just how much of it was filler. A large portion of the bible is talking about trust in God, which I'm going to go ahead and assume non-religious people would not see as wisdom.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:59 pm to llfshoals
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Or are you man enough to enter the arena. Be advised if you do, I don't play nice.
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:00 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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Yes, I agree, there are worthwhile lessons to be learned from the Bible.
The Ten Commandments are also words of wisdom to live our lives by.
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My qualm is when those "lessons" are taken to extremes.
Give me an example of what you think is taking these lessons of life contained in the Bible to an extreme.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:03 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Give me an example of what you think is taking these lessons of life contained in the Bible to an extreme.
Any condemnation whatsoever of homosexuality
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:06 pm to CrimsonTideMD
quote:Oh I believe it is. I'll provide a biblical defense for it if it would help, but it essentially boils down to the doctrines of grace (aka Calvinism), taken directly from the scriptures.
While I'm not certain your interpretation is Biblical
quote:Thanks. If nothing else, I try to be consistent. While I don't change my beliefs, I'm always trying to evaluate the application of my beliefs to make sure the two are in harmony.
kudos to you for thinking through the indirect consequences of your stance.
quote:The short answer is that I don't believe anyone (child or otherwise) is "innocent" in God's eyes. I know we have a tendency to view them that way because they are small and cute and squishy and couldn't hurt a fly, but spiritually-speaking, no one is innocent because all are sinful and are judged guilty by Adam's sin. I've heard it said that we are not sinful because we sin, but we sin because we are sinful.
But I must ask, it seems-no accusation;hoping for a response/discussion-your answer implies that some innocent children don't make their way to heaven
There's a doctrine called federal headship, whereby all of humanity is judged by one of two representatives, Adam or Jesus. All mankind shares the guilt of Adam's fall unless they put their trust in Christ, at which time that person is no longer guilty by Adam but is innocent by Christ, who died to take away the guilt of sin. When you have faith in Jesus, your representative (federal head) changes from Adam to Christ.
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:07 pm to Jcorye1
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If you think that then I'd bet you haven't read the entire Bible.
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Well, frankly, unless you know some classical Hebrew, you've never read the entire thing either.
That's just a sophistic response.
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As far as the translations, yes I've read it.
Assuming you're telling the truth, then you know there are more words of wisdom and lessons of life contained in the Bible then are in a children's book entitled, The Giving Tree.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:11 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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Give me an example of what you think is taking these lessons of life contained in the Bible to an extreme.
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Any condemnation whatsoever of homosexuality
Why do you think that is taking a lesson of life to an extreme?
After all. look what a person has to go through when they come out as a homosexual.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:12 pm to FooManChoo
Calvinism is a derivation. I want to know the scripture you base your beliefs upon
They are squishy and innocence because they are, especially newborns. They are no more capable of committing sin than they are confessing for it; they simply have no awareness or culpability at that point.
And federal headship?!?!? You've got to be kidding me. I'm no more responsible for "adam's" sin than you are for mine.
They are squishy and innocence because they are, especially newborns. They are no more capable of committing sin than they are confessing for it; they simply have no awareness or culpability at that point.
And federal headship?!?!? You've got to be kidding me. I'm no more responsible for "adam's" sin than you are for mine.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:17 pm to DawgfaninCa
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After all. look what a person has to go through when they come out as a homosexual.
After all, look what the Protestants had to go through when they separated.
After all, look what the pilgrims had to through.
After all, look what the abolitionists had to go through.
After all, look what the desegregationists had to go through.
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:28 pm to Errerrerrwere
Maybe this has been discussed, forgive me if it has:
Everyone had the kid in the neighborhood when you were growing up that was playing with tea sets at 8 years old when all of the other boys were playing football on the empty lot.
As an adult, I've seen young boys way too young to decide that had it written all over them.
Also, as a straight man, the thought of another man's penis is absolutely revolting.
I don't remember making that choice.
Everyone had the kid in the neighborhood when you were growing up that was playing with tea sets at 8 years old when all of the other boys were playing football on the empty lot.
As an adult, I've seen young boys way too young to decide that had it written all over them.
Also, as a straight man, the thought of another man's penis is absolutely revolting.
I don't remember making that choice.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:29 pm to Scoop
I know kids that played with tea sets who we all just knew were gay.
Happily married now.
Happily married now.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:30 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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After all. look what a person has to go through when they come out as a homosexual.
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After all, look what the Protestants had to go through when they separated.
After all, look what the pilgrims had to through.
After all, look what the abolitionists had to go through.
After all, look what the desegregationists had to go through.
Meh, another sophistic response.
The pilgrims, the abolitionists and the desegregationists did not exist when the Bible was written but homosexuals did exist.
Besides, those are all things humans choose to do of their own free will while homosexuals claim they are born homosexuals.
Do you agree that homosexuals are born homosexual?
The Bible warns homosexuals not to act on their homosexual desires or else they will be treated poorly by the other members of society.
There's nothing extreme about teaching homosexuals that.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:31 pm to Errerrerrwere
I love the upvotes from those of you who have a strange need for this to be true.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:34 pm to Scoop
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Everyone had the kid in the neighborhood when you were growing up that was playing with tea sets at 8 years old when all of the other boys were playing football on the empty lot.
There also was the girl in the neighborhood who was a tomboy but grew up to be a heterosexual hot babe.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:34 pm to FooManChoo
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I believe
Don't get sucked into this, Crimson.
Beliefs are ultimately all this dude has.
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