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re: Hobby Lobby's Retirement Plan Invests in Contraception Manufacturers
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:02 am to Jbird
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:02 am to Jbird
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I mean, if you want people to just stop having sex altogether, that's your prerogative.
What are you babbling about?
I'm just using your logic is all. If they all have the same result, then clearly they're all perfectly analogous, right?
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 9:05 am
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:04 am to Taxing Authority
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You, or I, may not agree with it. But, that disagreement does not, and should not, empower us to force them to act in the manner we deem to be consistent and moral.
Again, that's really aside from the point of my argument. It's an entirely different argument unto itself.
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My. Judgmental aren't we?
I'm calling them out for lying and misleading people. Heaven forbid...
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You're the one decrying HL's alleged intellectual inconsistency. Yet, hypocricy is rampant in the very people calling them out. Oddly you're only appear to be upset about one side.
Where have I been hypocritical? Please let me know. I'd like to improve on that.
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Actually I didn't start this thread, write the article in the OP, nor b*tch about HL's "hypocricy".
True, but you accused me of using "gotcha" tactics right before doing so yourself.
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I've just adopted the se tactic. If its good enough to impugn HL, should be good enough to call out others, don't you think?
Ah yes! Because two wrongs make a right and all that.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:08 am to DCRebel
quote:In your opinion I can only assume so.
I'm just using your logic is all. If they all have the same result, then clearly they're all perfectly analogous, right?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:09 am to Jbird
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In your opinion I can only assume so.
Oh, it's not my opinion at all. I was simply asking you a question based on the argument you made, a question which you still haven't answered.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:09 am to DCRebel
What question was that?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:10 am to DCRebel
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If by "result" you mean they "keep someone from getting pregnant" then yes, they do. But in that sense, they have the same result as celibacy or a hysterectomy.
I mean, if you want people to just stop having sex altogether, that's your prerogative.
EDIT: If you can't see the difference between preventing fertilization (i.e., keeping sperm from reaching an egg) and implantation (i.e., keeping an already fertilized egg from adhering to the wall of the uterus) then you're either ignorant of the human reproductive system or simply haven't been paying attention.
i'm all for birth control and even post-sex methods...but i don't think employers should pay for it, especially if they have a moral objection to people using these methods.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm all for birth control and even post-sex methods...but i don't think employers should pay for it, especially if they have a moral objection to people using these methods.
I think they should be covered by health insurance plans, including those which employers pay for.
So we disagree on that.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:16 am to DCRebel
quote:Yes I do.
Surely you're smart enough to see where I'm coming from though.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:18 am to DCRebel
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Again, that's really aside from the point of my argument. It's an entirely different argument unto itself.
quote:I don't know many people taking medical advice from a one-sentance summation of a SCOTUS brief. So I don't get the "misled" part.
I'm calling them out for lying and misleading people. Heaven forbid...
HL hasn't advocated anyone take any action, nor attempted to force anyone to any thing, as far as I know.
quote:see below.
Where have I been hypocritical? Please let me know. I'd like to improve on that.
quote:Indeed. Yet, you have a problem when someone else used it. Hypocricy. Exposed.
True, but you accused me of using "gotcha" tactics right before doing so yourself.
quote:Not at all. Just demonstrating the hypocricy existing in those decrying hypocricy.
Ah yes! Because two wrongs make a right and all that.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:25 am to Taxing Authority
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see below.
Okay, I looked. What is it that you want me to see, exactly?
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Indeed. Yet, you have a problem when someone else used it. Hypocricy. Exposed.
Where did I use it? You still haven't demonstrated that at all.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:34 am to DCRebel
quote:Sorry man. If you can't see it. I won't be able to help you.
Okay, I looked. What is it that you want me to see, exactly?
quote:Same.
Where did I use it?
Posted on 4/2/14 at 9:44 am to Taxing Authority
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Sorry man. If you can't see it. I won't be able to help you.
You can't even provide a link? That's fine.
Posted on 4/2/14 at 10:07 am to DCRebel
I really do not see what the big controversy is all about. Big evil Hobby Lobby provides jobs for 16k people and provides them with healthcare. They provide their employees with many forms of birth control just drugs that prevent pregnancy not drugs that terminate pregnancy. They are not preventing an employee from using "plan b" drug they are just asking for the employee to pay for it. And if the employee does not like it they are FREE in this country to work somewhere else.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:00 am to austintiger76
Cal Thomas thinks Judge Kennedy will rule that HL can simply drop the insurance, as it has a right to do so under the law. 5-4 decision.
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