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Has Israel ever suffered negative repercussions for civilian deaths?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:30 pm
Has the world ever condemned Israel for civilian deaths? Has anything ever happened?
The death toll is rising, 75% of which are civilians according to this NY Times article, and the article goes on to state Israel blames Hamas for operating behind civilians intentionally.
I got to wondering, if this is indeed Hamas' strategy, what is their endgame? It seems like every time there's some tussle over there, some palestinian civvies get killed in a disproportionate fashion and Hamas gets blamed for hiding behind women and children. So, what's the point? If they are indeed doing this, it doesn't seem to be working very well for whatever intent they may have. I can't recall any serious sanctions or reprimand directed towards Israel. Is it just to garner sympathy from other Islamic countries? If so, that doesn't seem to be doing them a whole lot of good either.
Surely Hamas is getting some kind of tangible benefit for the deaths of what they claim are their own people, or they wouldn't keep facilitating it every so often.
And I am not anti-Israel, I believe they have to be hard-assess when everyone around them wants them annihilated. Just trying to get some insight into the whole situation.
The death toll is rising, 75% of which are civilians according to this NY Times article, and the article goes on to state Israel blames Hamas for operating behind civilians intentionally.
I got to wondering, if this is indeed Hamas' strategy, what is their endgame? It seems like every time there's some tussle over there, some palestinian civvies get killed in a disproportionate fashion and Hamas gets blamed for hiding behind women and children. So, what's the point? If they are indeed doing this, it doesn't seem to be working very well for whatever intent they may have. I can't recall any serious sanctions or reprimand directed towards Israel. Is it just to garner sympathy from other Islamic countries? If so, that doesn't seem to be doing them a whole lot of good either.
Surely Hamas is getting some kind of tangible benefit for the deaths of what they claim are their own people, or they wouldn't keep facilitating it every so often.
And I am not anti-Israel, I believe they have to be hard-assess when everyone around them wants them annihilated. Just trying to get some insight into the whole situation.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:34 pm to Tiguar
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I believe they have to be hard-assess when everyone around them wants them annihilated
sure but these kind of tactics don't exactly win the hearts and minds.
they are literally creating terrorists as we speak, some of whom will grow up and decide that the US is another satan via our blind support of israel.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:35 pm to Tiguar
I guess if you don't count continued attacks by its neighbors, then no.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:36 pm to GRTiger
So Hamas facilitates civilian deaths in order to make more terrorists to piss off Israel and then facilitate more civilian deaths?
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Um which ones do you think they would win? I mean let's face it a fair number of movers and shakers in the Arab community happen to want to wipe the Joos off the face of the earth.
sure but these kind of tactics don't exactly win the hearts and minds.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:43 pm to Tiguar
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So Hamas facilitates civilian deaths in order to make more terrorists to piss off Israel and then facilitate more civilian deaths?
DING DING DING!!!! We've got a winner!!
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:44 pm to 4LSU2
Are they just stupid then? If their goal is annihilation of Israel, they got a hell of a way of going about it.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:48 pm to Tiguar
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Are they just stupid then? If their goal is annihilation of Israel, they got a hell of a way of going about it.
Yes they are stupid. There is nothing that extremist Muslims do that make sense. They blow themselves up in hopes of meeting 72 virgins in their after life. Anyone that's ever had much dealing with women at all knows that one virgin is not worth the headache, much less 72 of those crazy bitches.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:54 pm to 4LSU2
Can anyone really still think this is anything other than ethnic cleansing? Gaza will be reduced down to a small speck on the map after they are literally forced into the sea.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:02 pm to NoNameNeeded
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Can anyone really still think this is anything other than ethnic cleansing? Gaza will be reduced down to a small speck on the map after they are literally forced into the sea.
Ethnic cleansing?
If Israel wanted to cleanse Gaza this shite would have ended one day after it started. The terrorist purposefully hide themselves and their arms among civilians. It's a tactic. The fact that there aren't more casualties is a testament to the restraint of the IDF.
As for reducing Gaza to a speck? So what. Let the other Arab nations make room for the Palestinians. Funny how no other Arabs take these poor buggers in. They force them to live next to the "enemy". Sounds like the other Arabs are using the Palestinians as pawns.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:02 pm to NoNameNeeded
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Can anyone really still think this is anything other than ethnic cleansing? Gaza will be reduced down to a small speck on the map after they are literally forced into the sea.
I don't think it plays out that way. The world will lean on the shelling to stop and it will. The Palestinians that are left will spew hatred for the Jews and pledge to kill them the rest of their lives. The terrorist attacks will continue and the cycle repeats itself over and over again just like it has since the beginning of time.
America is Israel's biggest ally. America is currently at her weakest state and has no leadership to stand beside Israel to fight the terrorists. We can't fight our own wars at home, much less help our biggest ally that's in need.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:11 pm to tigerinthebueche
quote:There was "room" in Albania for the Kosovars. Did that justify the Serbians? There was "room" in India for the Bengalis. Did that justify the Pakistanis? The people matter. You can't just wave your hand and say "it's no big deal for these millions of people to leave the place they've lived for generations, because this other faraway country has people of similar ethnicity."
As for reducing Gaza to a speck? So what. Let the other Arab nations make room for the Palestinians.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:12 pm to Tiguar
Israel has never suffered repercussions for civilian deaths or the deaths of American sailors.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:24 pm to Tiguar
Until Israel breaks out the steam rollers and bulldozers to level gaza and totally clear the area these type of events will have every few years...
Muslims in general care for no one, civilians or otherwise. Why should any of us care about them?
Muslims in general care for no one, civilians or otherwise. Why should any of us care about them?
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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they are literally creating terrorists as we speak, some of whom will grow up and decide that the US is another satan via our blind support of israel.
I think that is the endgame. Marshal sympathy from other middle eastern countries and groups in order to ramp up the attacks against Israel and the west (see France and Britain).
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:43 pm to Tiguar
Gaza is the most densely populated real estate on the planet, which means that it's impossible for Hamas to get far away from civilians. Additionally, Israel doesn't have the stomach for military casualties, even when confronted with an enemy that's willing to fight them far away from civilians. The proof of this is the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah War. Hezbollah evacuated its civilians to northern Lebanon away from the Israeli border and dug in their heels in southern Lebanon, and dared the IDF to come and get them. But after Hezbollah destroyed an entire column of Israeli armor, Israel retreated and started bombing civilians in northern Lebanon from the sky, despite the fact that they knew the bulk of Hezbollah's army was in southern Lebanon.
EDIT: Back in the day, the IDF was probably one of the toughest militaries on the planet, but in 2014, they're only good at killing 11-year-old rock throwers.
EDIT: Back in the day, the IDF was probably one of the toughest militaries on the planet, but in 2014, they're only good at killing 11-year-old rock throwers.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:50 pm to trackfan
You are such a hack! I will buy u a first class ticket to gaza to fight along side your brethren if you'll actually go and fight " the good fight"
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:53 pm to Iosh
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You can't just wave your hand and say "it's no big deal for these millions of people to leave the place they've lived for generations, because this other faraway country has people of similar ethnicity
You're right. That's why it's important Israel keeps its sovereignty and security. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe them from the face of the earth.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:56 pm to trackfan
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they're only good at killing 11-year-old rock throwers.
Lots of dead adult Arabs would disagree with you. But feel free to go join the Hamas fighters since you think the IDF is such a shell of its former self.
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