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re: Happy birthday General Robert E. Lee!
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:23 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:23 pm to Seldom Seen
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America's Greatest General!
No sir. Not even close.
While he was a good man his abilities lacked those under his command.
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:28 pm to RollTide1987
Just a ridiculous take.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:30 pm to RollTide1987
Everyone can have an opinion, yours are generally terrible.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:33 pm to TrueTiger
I celebrated it on Monday since there was nothing else worth celebrating.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:33 pm to RollTide1987
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He was a solid tactician, a mediocre strategist, and an abysmal logistician. He was also a victim of piss poor staff work which, at the end of the day, falls on him.
With respect to "strategist" and especially regarding "logistics", I don't know how Lee could possibly be dinged; He was a realist. He knew full well that the Confederacy's chances of prevailing were very low, given it was lacking ANY resource-aces or high cards in the deck to play with.
That Lee led the Confederacy to ANY victories -- especially given his rough hewn patch-work troops, loosely-knitted organization, and lack of resources and manufacturing -- was amazing feat. He knew there was a very short window of opportunity; and that window was based more on demoralized Union leadership and forcing a draw. Lincoln and others were indeed *almost* demoralized enough. The deck was just too stacked in their favor.
Not even Attila the Hun could have helped the Confederacy prevail against the Union.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:04 pm to Liberator
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With respect to "strategist" and especially regarding "logistics", I don't know how Lee could possibly be dinged
Lee had tunnel vision. He only cared about Virginia, the rest of the Confederacy be damned. I understand that he was in command of the Army of Northern Virginia and thus he cared more about his sphere of influence than any other, but the man just never seemed to realize the strategic implications of losing large swaths of territory west of the Appalachians. Those areas were important to supplying his army. Railroad centers and ports like New Orleans, Nashville, Corinth, Vicksburg, Chattanooga, and Atlanta were of the most vital importance to the Confederate war effort. But none of those commander's considerations for men and supplies were as important to Lee's - at least according to him.
He also made two massive strategic blunders in invading the North and trying to win a battle on northern soil. His first invasion was particularly in poor taste as he went north with an army of 40,000 men and, when the gig was up, he chose to fight a battle he couldn't possibly win (Antietam) in a position which, if broken, would cause the surrender of his entire army. Fortunately for him, McClellan was not an aggressive general and so total defeat was averted. However, he still lost 10,000 men he couldn't afford to lose in a battle he should have never fought.
The winning strategy Lee should have adopted from the outset was the strategy he adopted in May 1864 against Ulysses S. Grant: maneuver the enemy army into a fight, dig trenches on good defensive ground, and have the enemy attack and suffer massive casualties. By 1864, however, Lee was facing a general whose tenacity and ability to maneuver rivaled his own and it was too little too late.
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That Lee led the Confederacy to ANY victories -- especially given his rough hewn patch-work troops, loosely-knitted organization, and lack of resources and manufacturing -- was amazing feat.
It's not really a feat when you consider his competition. How many of these generals jump out at you as all-time greats in American history?
- George McClellan
- John C. Fremont
- Nathaniel P. Banks
- Irvin McDowell
- John Pope
- Dixon S. Miles
- Ambrose Burnside
- Joseph Hooker
- Benjamin Butler
- Franz Sigel
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Not even Attila the Hun could have helped the Confederacy prevail against the Union.
Definitely not fighting the war the way Lee fought it.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:07 pm to Yaz 8
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Everyone can have an opinion, yours are generally terrible.
Where did I touch you?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:23 pm to TrueTiger
I'm surprised the pansy libs haven't renamed his street in NOLA by the lakefront.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:07 pm to RollTide1987
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Without referencing Gods and Generals, could you explain your reasons for believing this?
I haven't seen God and Generals but I read Rebel Yell. Seems like Lee would get in trouble in a lot of battles and then Jackson would show up and save the day. Lee never had the same success after Jackson got shot.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:19 pm to Floki
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Seems like Lee would get in trouble in a lot of battles and then Jackson would show up and save the day.
Like the Seven Days and Second Bull Run? I feel like the opposite happened in those two battles. I suppose you could argue Antietam with the timely arrival of Hill’s Light Division but Jackson himself had been on the field all that day.
Jackson’s biggest contribution to Lee was keeping 40,000 Union troops tied down in the Shenandoah Valley in the spring of 1862.
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Lee never had the same success after Jackson got shot.
He still continued to win the same Pyrrhic victories he enjoyed prior to Chancellorsville even after Jackson’s death.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:30 pm to TrueTiger
And the LIBS tore down his statues....for absolutley no reason, other than show.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:51 pm to oldskule
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for absolutley no reason, other than show.
No, they want to destroy our culture and they want to destroy us.
History is identity.
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When the Bolsheviks came to power in 1917, the first thing they did was to start destroying monuments to the tsars and replace them many times over with monuments to Communist revolutionary heroes.
https://www.rbth.com/articles/2012/02/21/monuments_of_the_past_destroy_or_preserve_14918
That was a statue of General Mikhail Skobelev. It was destroyed in 1917.
Statues are an important target because they almost always depict heroism.
They want to destroy our identity and break our will to resist.
When the neo-Soviet in Charlottesville destroyed the Lewis and Clark monuments. They made that point. The monuments depicted them as conquerors, strong men.
In their words, that justified destruction.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:50 pm to MMauler
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Back in the 80's, the black student union held a campus parade for the birthday of MLK. It was done in an almost "stick it in your face" manner as their "parade route" passed right in front of the fraternities (down Dalrymple).
I was a freshman in my second semester at LSU when the first official MLK day was observed in 1987. I lived in the South Stadium dorms (2nd window to the of the entrance into what used to be the lobby there). I had always flown a Confederate flag on January 19 in observance of Rob't E. Lee's birthday. I didn't watch much television or pay a whole lot of attention to politics. I thought the MLK celebration was just something some folks talked about but I didn't realize that it had become an official government holiday.
The student parade formed up to start pretty much right in front of my dorm room and, you guessed it, my Confederate Flag was hanging in the window.
Needless to say, I caught hell for it and wound up having to explain myself to Rene Nesbitt (director of Residential Housing aka dorms). She took my explanation for what it was and let it drop, but not before I caught hell from all kinds of virtue signaling shitbirds.
I'm just glad to see that I'm not the only one who remembers Robert E. Lee as a great man, a great American and a good man. It was good to see a thread mentioning him today.
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