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re: Gun control in Europe is almost total. Hasn't stopped mass shooting attacks like Las Vegas
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
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In 2016 there were 1800 deaths in France, and 3200 in Texas.
What's the racial makeup of Texas/France?
Who commits the crimes in texas/France?
Whom has a larger criminal population?
What is the criminal organization like in texas/France?
You see... Even if you make the population of France and Texas the same, they are STILL polar opposites.
Different racial makeup. Different criminal population. Different criminal organizations. And let's not even forget the mass amount of cartel activity in texas spewing in from meheco.
So... You're comparing apples to horses as it stands.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You said apples to apples.
Just make that happen.
So how is it in a place with a population density thats five times larger than Texas and with gun control that supposedly doesnt work, do they still manage to have 45% fewer gun deaths than a comparable geographic area, like Texas?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:24 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Texas and with gun control that supposedly doesnt work, do they still manage to have 45% fewer gun deaths than a comparable geographic area, like Texas
Idk if you know this.... But uh....
Cartels... Are fricking violent.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:24 pm to asurob1
So in spite of being 10 times more likely to encounter a gun than an Italian, I'm only about 4 times more likely to be killed by one?
Sweet!
Sweet!
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:24 pm to NYNolaguy1
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45% fewer gun deaths
Define "gun deaths" please.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:25 pm to Centinel
100% chance he includes suicides in that percent.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:28 pm to Centinel
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Define "gun deaths" please.
A homicide in which the cause of death was a gunshot wound.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:29 pm to Centinel
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And we should take out the LV shooting because that also skews the numbers right?
We'd still have Newtown, Columbine, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, Orlando, and so many others....
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:29 pm to asurob1
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No one needs an AR-15.
And who are we to determine what someone needs or doesn't need?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:29 pm to beerJeep
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100% chance he includes suicides in that percent
Thats true, but would only be statistically significant if rates of suicide were drastically different between the two countries.
Again, look, this is not an emotional thing for me. Its a numbers thing. If you disagree with me show your stats.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
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A homicide in which the cause of death was a gunshot wound.
How many last year?
You're a numbers guy eh? More people die in automobile accidents than gunshot wounds (even including suicide)
So since you're a numbers guy, you obviously are for the #BanTransportationOver30MPH movement correct? For all of our history we have gotten around at no faster than 30 mph. Until the automobile. And it's weird, as your transportation reaches speed in excess of 30mph, your risk of death skyrockets.
So, as a numbers guy, you are obviously shocked that little Timmy can die in a car accident Going 70 on the Interstate and not blink an eye, but if Timmy shoots himself it's a big hooplah.
Why do you hate children (who are the most at risk of death in over 30mph transportation)? Why don't you want to save their lives?
Don't you realize how many lives you'd save if you banned all transportation over 30mph? And don't tell me we couldn't survive... We did for millenia.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:37 pm to beerJeep
This is all stupid. We have this same tired debate everytime something like this happens. The difference is, gun control data in other countries has proved the American left dead wrong on gun control which is why the narrative has shifted to "mass shootings" and not gun crime. Internationally, there is poor correlation between gun ownership and gun homicides. The areas with the strictest control are often the most deadly.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:42 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Its a numbers thing.
And numbers show homicide rates in the US have dropped with more gun ownership.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:52 pm to beerJeep
Couldnt find any direct stats, but they can be figured out easily. Gun suicides in 2017 for texas were 1994. Total gun deaths were 3203. That implies the remainder were either accidental discharge or flat out homicide.
For France, the number of homicides in 2012 was 761. Even if that number almost doubled between 2012 and 2017, and all of them were attributed to firearms (unlikely), you would still only then break even.
For France, the number of homicides in 2012 was 761. Even if that number almost doubled between 2012 and 2017, and all of them were attributed to firearms (unlikely), you would still only then break even.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:53 pm to Aristo
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And numbers show homicide rates in the US have dropped with more gun ownership.
But still almost 3 times higher than comparable western economies.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:56 pm to Aristo
Numbers also suggest that annual non-suicidal gun homicides are outnumbered by dgu by a factor of as much as 7.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
Okay. So what's the racial make up? What is the gang activity like in France compared to the cartels in texas?
There are many and more variables to the numbers. Simply propping x and Y down won't cut it.
We have an underground war in texas between the cartels and locals. Do they have the zetas or ms13 in France?
And you still haven't commented on the #BanTransportationOver30MPH movement. Why don't you care if little Timmy dies in an automobile accident? He's far more likely to die that way than gun violence.
There are many and more variables to the numbers. Simply propping x and Y down won't cut it.
We have an underground war in texas between the cartels and locals. Do they have the zetas or ms13 in France?
And you still haven't commented on the #BanTransportationOver30MPH movement. Why don't you care if little Timmy dies in an automobile accident? He's far more likely to die that way than gun violence.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:00 pm to NYNolaguy1
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comparable western economies.
There is not a country on this planet comparable to the US in terms of diversity. We play by an entirely different set of rules than the rest of the world.
You simply cannot compare the us to any western country. Or any fricking country. We are in a class of our own.
An apt comparison would be to compare the us to all of Europe combined. Not oh the us v Spain. On the us v France.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:00 pm to NYNolaguy1
Going back to your Texas vs. France comparison.
How many gun deaths in Texas are committed by illegal aliens vs France?
Are the demographics similar?
Gang violence?
Suicides?
Legal or illegal guns used?
A lot of questions to be answered before you can just compare deaths to deaths.
How many gun deaths in Texas are committed by illegal aliens vs France?
Are the demographics similar?
Gang violence?
Suicides?
Legal or illegal guns used?
A lot of questions to be answered before you can just compare deaths to deaths.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:04 pm to beerJeep
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You're a numbers guy eh? More people die in automobile accidents than gunshot wounds (even including suicide)
Thats true, but why change the subject?
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Don't you realize how many lives you'd save if you banned all transportation over 30mph? And don't tell me we couldn't survive... We did for millenia.
Again, all true, my best answer is that we accept this as a part of every day life. There are certain ways to lower that death rate. Rational speed limits (google it), airbags, seatbelts automated cars, etc. I think everyone agrees that driving can be dangerous, yet because it is essential to our way of life to get to work, school, home, etc, no one bats an eye. Could the same be said for having or carrying a gun? Do you need one to go to work, school, home, etc, everyday? Unless youre an armed security guard or a police officer I am willing to bet that having a gun is not vital to your way of life or profession.
Eta:clarified to include having and carrying- obviously not the same.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 1:09 pm
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