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Good read on tariffs and similarity to the depression

Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:07 am
Posted by I B Freeman
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:07 am
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So the tax on US consumers called the Trump Tariffs are looking more and more like they will be long lived. There are bad consequences for our economy from such a long term trade war and the author points that out.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 7:08 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:08 am to
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depression


Why aren’t we in one of these now?

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This only works if the U.S. economy keeps prospering long enough for the tariffs to make China bend.


Their economic picture looks pretty bad right now. There is a lot of pressure for them to bend. Or interfere in American policy.

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So, when the Senate finally passed a tariff bill in March 1930, the thinking was not that different than we see today.


The depresssion had already started by then.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 7:14 am
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:10 am to
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I B Freeman


Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:11 am to
It's the 30's all over again.

Unusual take.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:11 am to
I am not predicting a depression although there is no question that the growth in our economy will slow as more household income is used to pay the higher prices these tariffs will cause over.the next year.
Posted by OTIS2
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:12 am to
Are you depressed, IB?
Posted by Wild Thang
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:13 am to
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I B Freeman



Dance for me clown!!!
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:13 am to
If only you could get Trump to cancel the tariffs we could get the economy going and find people jobs!
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:14 am to
quote:

It's the 30's all over again.

Unusual take.
IP Freely will be jumping off a building?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:15 am to
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I am not predicting a depression although there is no question that the growth in our economy will slow as more household income is used to pay the higher prices these tariffs will cause over.the next year.


The growth rate will slow because 4.2% gdp growth simply isn’t sustainable and there still isn’t enough people to fill the jobs we have.

Has nothing to do with tariffs.

It seems like the entire premise of the article was to use the word “depression” and “tariff” in the same sentence. I know that excites you, but that just isn’t reality.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 7:17 am
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:17 am to
I am sure you will agree that trade deficits do not hurt our economy given our current economy.

The new tariffs have not made it to retail yet and the January tariffs are 2.5 times larger. Let me know what you think in June.

BTW Ford announced they were eliminating 20,000 jobs.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:18 am to
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The depresssion had already started by then.


And even if one does not necessarily buy into that - certainly the most significant precipitating event (the stock market crash) had already happened by then.

Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:19 am to
It is insanity to believe tariffs to the degree Trump is proposing will not hurt our economy.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:21 am to
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BTW Ford announced they were eliminating 20,000 jobs.

So.

“Yesterday, we told our employees that we were in the early stages of an organizational redesign of the global salaried workforce,” Karen Hampton, a company spokeswoman, said in an interview Friday. The goal is “that gradually you’re getting a wider, flatter organization that is really designed for speed. Inevitably, we expect that to result in some reductions, but at this point there’s not a target.”

Ford, beset with an aging model lineup, fell behind Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV -- as well as General Motors Co. and Toyota Motor Corp. -- in U.S. sales last month for the first time in a decade. Investors are stampeding out of its stock, which has fallen 27 percent this year, and its credit rating is now one step above junk.

“There are areas of our business that need to become more fit and certainly this process will also help them do that,” Hampton said. “So you would anticipate those areas of the company to maybe see more reductions than others.”
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:21 am to
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It is insanity to believe tariffs to the degree Trump is proposing will not hurt our economy.


The economy is booming (outside of Louisiana at least) and we have already negotiated favorable trade deals to replace NAFTA.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 7:22 am
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:25 am to
And the impact of the tariffs have not hit the economy yet as they have only been in place three weeks AND the planned tariffs in January are 2.5 times higher.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:26 am to
Well in your world that should just about finish off Ford.
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:27 am to
So for decades, US Presidents and Congress have effectively allowed our economy to be radically reshaped from a manufacturing based economy to a service/consumer based economy. Jobs were exported oversees, wealth pushed oversees, tax base eroded, trade deficit up, national debt up, etc.

The current President decides to go a different route and impose tariffs as a means of reversing some of this course. Clearly, this won’t be reversed overnight; however, news out of China supports that the policies are negatively impacting their economy and well, look at our economy.

You continue to harp on the tariffs because you only want to see this as a tax to consumers without understanding that folks will gladly pay more if it means greater long term job and economic stability. At least most sane people will do so. This isn’t a short term fix and it’s about leveraging the Chinese and others in a different direction.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 7:28 am
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:29 am to
Well said.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:29 am to
Tax credits yesterday, tariffs today. It must be Christmas for you.
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