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re: Good news for some. Pat Robertson says homosexuals will soon "die out"....
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:44 pm to ctiger69
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:44 pm to ctiger69
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Can you dispute the statement?
I don't believe a comparison of gay people to murderers and rapists requires me to dispute it. Few people would ever think to attempt such a moral equivalency.
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:52 pm to dawg2357
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How one comes to know an idea has nothing to do with whether or not the idea is true or not.
Of course not, but it has everything to do with how objectively one analyzes the idea in question.
The bottom line is that Christians (and all religious people who claim exclusivity) simply do not apply the same criteria to their faith as they do to others when deciding what is true and what isn't. This is largely due to the fact that religion is a central part of almost every society on earth and kids are taught from an early age that their faith is true. The young, developing mind is biologically programmed to favor ideas taught to them by those closest to them, because it is vital for survival. The child who doesnt listen to their mother about wandering off into the woods at night is less likely to mature and propogate their genes. For the same reasons, our minds develop believing in the ideas put into our heads as children and are empirically shown to be the toughest ideas to shale in adulthood.
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Not to mention there are many that did not grow up in the Christian religion that came to it later in life rendering your seemingly absolute statement not only irrelevant but false.
The numbers are HEAVILY skewed however. Even those who come to believe in Christianity later in life were statistically likely to have been raised in a Christian home or, at the very least, a society where Christianity dominated. It is no coincidence that adult onset conversions almost always involve the faith most familiar to the individual in question.
The number of Christian converts who were never exposed to Christianity as children in any significant form are a very, very small minority of believers.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:06 pm to FooManChoo
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As someone who has thoroughly researched the origins of the Christian religion and listened to a lot of what Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, and others have to say, I can tell you that it has not changed what I believe at all. In fact, it has only strengthened my convictions.
If a serious believer like yourself is looking for objective reasoning behind unbelief, Dawkins, Hitchens, etc. is not the way to go. Almost everything they have ever put out is directed at people who already don't believe or are purely cultural believers just holding on by a thread. Their material typically has a somewhat condescending tone to it which turns off pretty much everyone who believes right off the bat, and they often describe and/or reference scientific and historical topics that are foreign to the average American. Basically, they are talking to agnostic/atheist individuals with postgraduate educations.
The best place for you to start honestly would be the numerous jewish and Christian biblical scholars who, while they still believe, objectively point out all the flaws and common misconceptions about the Bible and its history. It gives you a lot of information that you will never be taught in mainstream circles while still allowing you to feel like you are on the same page spiritually as the person in question. After that, moving onto the roughly 40% of Biblical scholars who are not jewish or Christian but have a deep understanding of the text and its history is the next step.
That is what really helped me starting looking at my faith objectively over the course of several years.
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You make it sound like everyone who believes in Christ and the teachings of the Bible are just ignorant and if they can only be shown the truth, they would abandon their foolish faith.
I believe that if every Christian applied the exact same critiques to Christianity that they do to other faiths, they would all become merely cultural Christians who if asked would tell you much of the teachings of the church probably aren't true. Hoping for a flat out dismissal of religion is too much to ask because it is so ingrained in the culture.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
This is true of everyone including atheists. The way one views the world is central to one's life. It is just as hard for the atheist to let go as the theist. No one wants to be wrong and that bias will play a factor in all thought processes.
You can analyze and think to yourself that yes a person holds this belief because of such and such circumstance, but when it crosses into dialogue regarding the truth of that belief it holds no water.
Even if it is a small amount, the very fact that there is someone like this renders the absolute statement "x wouldn't believe Christianity if he wasn't conditioned for it from birth" false.
You can analyze and think to yourself that yes a person holds this belief because of such and such circumstance, but when it crosses into dialogue regarding the truth of that belief it holds no water.
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The number of Christian converts who were never exposed to Christianity as children in any significant form are a very, very small minority of believers.
Even if it is a small amount, the very fact that there is someone like this renders the absolute statement "x wouldn't believe Christianity if he wasn't conditioned for it from birth" false.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:17 pm to dawg2357
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This is true of everyone including atheists. The way one views the world is central to one's life. It is just as hard for the atheist to let go as the theist. No one wants to be wrong and that bias will play a factor in all thought processes.
False. I admit that I don't know if there is or is not a god. I could be convinced either way. The evidence has swayed me nearer to the nonexistence corner than the existence corner. However, that could change given convincing evidence.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:22 pm to dawg2357
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This is true of everyone including atheists
Absolutely, and an atheist raised by atheist parents is statistically more likely to die an atheist than anything else.
The difference is that the overwhelming majority of atheists in America (last I checked about 80%) were raised in religious homes and/or claimed religion at some point in their adult life. The percentage of Christians in America who were raised in a lack of belief or other religions is something like 10-15%.
In other words, the majority of atheists became that way as adults. The same cannot be said of Christianity (or any religion).
Moreover, your average every day atheist isnt militant. I won't be raising my kids teaching them religion is evil or that religious people are idiots. If they have questions, I'll probably tell them to read the source material (aka The Bible, the Quran) like I did. I believe that is important and wouldn't want them taking my word for it on that subject. The majority of kids in "atheist" homes grow up merely indifferent to religion and just don't think about it much, therefore they are more amenable to new ideas that those brought up in rigidly believing households.
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the very fact that there is someone like this renders the absolute statement "x wouldn't believe Christianity if he wasn't conditioned for it from birth" false.
I was poorly worded by the original poster you quoted for sure. People at certain vulnerable times in their lives cease being objective and are looking for hope. Nothing wrong with that either, we all need hope sometimes.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:26 pm to Tigerlaff
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False. I admit that I don't know if there is or is not a god. I could be convinced either way. The evidence has swayed me nearer to the nonexistence corner than the existence corner. However, that could change given convincing evidence.
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I don't KNOW there isn't a God, but I relatively convinced that if there is one he doesn't concern himself much with the day to day lives of the people on this planet. Because I think the idea of an indifferent God even more ludicrous than a caring one, I tend to think he simply isn't there at all.
He's welcome to convince me otherwise at any time, though. Im not inherently opposed to worshipping a God, I did it for most of my life after all.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:26 pm to Tigerlaff
Many theists will say the same thing. The theist will say that they have reasons for believing and that they have no reason for being an atheist. Some will say they could be convinced either way.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:33 pm to dawg2357
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Some will say they could be convinced either way.
I haven't met many of these, at least not ones who will admit it. I certainly would have never told you I would one day stop believing had you asked me 10 years ago.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
Agreed. The point I have been making is that the truth value should be what is attacked not where it came from. If we just kept stating you believe what you believe because of where you were born, then there would be no meaningful dialogue. Who would want that?
This is an idea that needs to be stressed. Many when they hear the word "atheist" think of some amoral monster that will bite their head off. This is also a problem when attempting dialogue.
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Moreover, your average every day atheist isnt militant.
This is an idea that needs to be stressed. Many when they hear the word "atheist" think of some amoral monster that will bite their head off. This is also a problem when attempting dialogue.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I haven't met many of these, at least not ones who will admit it.
I have, but I'm one of them or at least I like to think I would have the intellectual honesty to reject a false belief no matter how dear it is to me personally. Now I don't think its the majority.
An interesting poll question to ask would be "if there were irrefutable evidence that God doesn't exist would you still believe?". Of course "irrefutable" might be too strong a term.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:20 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Dude is it the holy ghost or holy spirit? Or are you just "impotent"?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 5:00 am to Roger Klarvin
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The difference is that the overwhelming majority of atheists in America (last I checked about 80%) were raised in religious homes and/or claimed religion at some point in their adult life. The percentage of Christians in America who were raised in a lack of belief or other religions is something like 10-15%.
You are making some rather dubious claims with the stats you post here so a valid link would be nice however it should come as no surprise that a lot of people who were raised in a "religious home" were never really brought to church on a regular basis nor were they really ever brought up in the manner one might think when they hear the term "religious home". Furthermore, when you add in an element who might have been brow beaten growing up with overly zealous "religious" parents and harbor a lot of resentment because they couldn't just grow up doing what they wanted to do, it should come as no surprise that a substantial number of atheists claim they came from a "religious" background.
Look, it is not easy to stay on a faith based path. Especially being a Christian these days. Just look at how someone who voices a fervent belief on a generally conservative political message board gets taken to task by making a stand in defense of their faith. The name calling and lack of understanding and willingness to respect opinion is pretty profound. Now I am not saying the Christian apologists here don't step over the line on occasion but even then it is usually elicited by another similarly outlandish attack. You are doing a fine job of trying to debate the subject in a reasonable fashion which is commendable however.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 5:17 am to Roger Klarvin
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He's welcome to convince me otherwise at any time, though. Im not inherently opposed to worshipping a God, I did it for most of my life after all.
My guess is that you might have all the evidence you need right in front of you but your expectations of what this evidence is to convince you otherwise have become skewed a bit. I am not saying this in a demeaning manner. It just appears to me that you fell out of the faith somewhere in life's ups and downs and your heart grew jaded, thus when God demonstrates his presence in your life which is often subtle, the signs aren't as discernable as they might have been when you did believe.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 5:18 am
Posted on 12/20/14 at 9:31 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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Dude, he doesn't understand that the bible was written by the Holy Spirit. There is nothing you can tell people like this, because they know it all already, but they don't know anything.
Ironic.
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Just by reading the words of Jesus you can understand that he is not of this world.
What? Could you give me an example?
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You cant know Christ until you are willing to lay down your ways and submit to his ways. These people haven't got one clue about how the Holy SPIRIT is an actual being that lives, and that Christians meet and that is as real as if you nd I were talking.
Ex-Christian here. I was a Christian for quite a while. I can honestly say I've never met the "holy spirit" nor have I "known" Christ. That doesn't even make sense.
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But why should we expect people who have never accepted Christ to know the Holy Spirit ?
I did accept Christ but I, again, didn't "know the holy spirit"
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It is impossible.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 3:16 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Everyone would be much better off if pat Robertson died off
Posted on 12/20/14 at 6:07 pm to TheIndulger
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Jesus went into the desert, led by the Holy Spirit, once
What doesn't make sense to you ? The Father, Son and Holy Ghost/Spirit are one in the same, but three unique individuals.
Let me explain the difference.
God is pure in all his ways as is Jesus and the Holy Spirit. But Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not ALL OF GODS GLORY AND POWER. A man can not look upon God, his glory is too overwhelming, remember when Moses peeked at his hinder parts his head turned white as snow. The Holy Spirit is the same, it has all the qualities of God, but is not all of God, hence not all his glory.
It is just like a pure source of water. If you get dumped over the head by 50 gallons of water from a pure source you just got dumped by pure water.
If you the got dumped over the head by a 100 gallons of water from the same pure source, you would have gotten very, very wet, from a pure source of water.
But if you got dumped over the head by ALL THE WATER FROM THE PURE SOURCE, say 1 billion gallons, YOU WOULD DROWN, no doubt.
Jesus is the pure source, with all the qualities of God, love, longsuffering, peaceful, faithful, caring, etc. etc., but he is the 50 gallons of the SAME SOURCE.
The Holy Spirit likewise is just like God in every mannerism, but he is the 100 gallons. They are all the alike in all qualities, but God has the GLORY.
Hence all are one, because all three share the very same likeness and traits. EXACTLY SO. They are Holy and without sin.
God is the abundance of the GLORY ( the totality ) Jesus is the Son, the Redeemer, The Lamb of God. The Holy Spirit is called the Comforter/ Counselor / Advocate / Author of Scripture / Convicter of Sin 2 Peter 1:21 / 2 Timothy 3:16. Indwellers of Believers Romans 8:9-11 Ephesians 2:21-22 / Revealer / Spirit of Truth/ Teacher/ Witness.
All three are one and the same as pertaining to WHAT THEY ARE MADE OF, the Holiness of God, with all righteousness.
But only God is ALL OF GOD with ALL THE GLORY.
Just like 50 gallons and 100 gallons from a water source has all the likeness of that body of water, but isn't the WHOLE OF THE BODY OF WATER.
Jesus went into the desert, led by the Holy Spirit, once
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If Jesus and The Holy Spirit are God. this doesn't make sense to me
What doesn't make sense to you ? The Father, Son and Holy Ghost/Spirit are one in the same, but three unique individuals.
Let me explain the difference.
God is pure in all his ways as is Jesus and the Holy Spirit. But Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not ALL OF GODS GLORY AND POWER. A man can not look upon God, his glory is too overwhelming, remember when Moses peeked at his hinder parts his head turned white as snow. The Holy Spirit is the same, it has all the qualities of God, but is not all of God, hence not all his glory.
It is just like a pure source of water. If you get dumped over the head by 50 gallons of water from a pure source you just got dumped by pure water.
If you the got dumped over the head by a 100 gallons of water from the same pure source, you would have gotten very, very wet, from a pure source of water.
But if you got dumped over the head by ALL THE WATER FROM THE PURE SOURCE, say 1 billion gallons, YOU WOULD DROWN, no doubt.
Jesus is the pure source, with all the qualities of God, love, longsuffering, peaceful, faithful, caring, etc. etc., but he is the 50 gallons of the SAME SOURCE.
The Holy Spirit likewise is just like God in every mannerism, but he is the 100 gallons. They are all the alike in all qualities, but God has the GLORY.
Hence all are one, because all three share the very same likeness and traits. EXACTLY SO. They are Holy and without sin.
God is the abundance of the GLORY ( the totality ) Jesus is the Son, the Redeemer, The Lamb of God. The Holy Spirit is called the Comforter/ Counselor / Advocate / Author of Scripture / Convicter of Sin 2 Peter 1:21 / 2 Timothy 3:16. Indwellers of Believers Romans 8:9-11 Ephesians 2:21-22 / Revealer / Spirit of Truth/ Teacher/ Witness.
All three are one and the same as pertaining to WHAT THEY ARE MADE OF, the Holiness of God, with all righteousness.
But only God is ALL OF GOD with ALL THE GLORY.
Just like 50 gallons and 100 gallons from a water source has all the likeness of that body of water, but isn't the WHOLE OF THE BODY OF WATER.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 12/20/14 at 6:54 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Your name fits you Crazy. You are fricking nuts.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 7:16 pm to rbWarEagle
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Dude, he doesn't understand that the bible was written by the Holy Spirit. There is nothing you can tell people like this, because they know it all already, but they don't know anything.
Ironic.
You say ironic, but I know Jesus and the Holy Spirit personally and have seen His power and Glory. You cant in no wise prove God doesnt exist because you dont nor cant know what you dont know. I know God personally, and it is too bad that God wants people to FIND HIM BY FAITH , hence he wants people to seek him with all their hearts because you love his ways. He doesnt want you serving Him just because you FEAR Him, hence He chose the foolishness of preaching to call those unto him whom will hear.
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Just by reading the words of Jesus you can understand that he is not of this world.
What? Could you give me an example?
Are you kidding ? Just take the time the Pharisses tried to trap him by asking him if they (Jews) should pay tribute to Cesar or God. You see the Pharisees knew that the old testament was clear, that all tribute should be paid to God. So If Jesus stated this they would turn Jesus over to the Romans for treason against the state of Rome. If Jesus stated that the Jews should pay tribute to Rome, then Jesus would lose all credibility with the Jewish people and could be tried by the Senhedrin. So Jesus confounds them by saying : Pay unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars and unto God that which is God. Well you see, since the Pharisees all new the Old Testament like the back of their hand they knew that ALL WAS GODS. So they knew, Jesus told them to pay tribute only TO GOD, by stating this and THEY WERE ASTOUNDED.
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You cant know Christ until you are willing to lay down your ways and submit to his ways. These people haven't got one clue about how the Holy SPIRIT is an actual being that lives, and that Christians meet and that is as real as if you nd I were talking.
Ex-Christian here. I was a Christian for quite a while. I can honestly say I've never met the "holy spirit" nor have I "known" Christ. That doesn't even make sense.
Like I explained before sir, Jesus did not have the Gifts of the Holy Spirit until he OBEYED GOD and then the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Mark 1: 1-12 Then Jesus LED UP OF TH HOLY SPIRIT into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterwards hungered. 3 And when the tempter came ( Satan) to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command these stones to be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word the proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5. Then the Devil took him up into the Holy city, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple. 6. And said unto, if thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear the up ( take care of ) , lest at any time thou shall dash thy foot against a stone. 7. Jesus said unto him, it is written again, thou shall not temp the Lord thy God.
8. Again, the devil took him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them , 9 And said unto him, all these things I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me. 10. Then Jesus said unto him, get the hence, Satan : for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11. THEN THE DEVIL LEFT HIM, AND BEHOLD THE ANGELS CAME AND MINISTERED TO HIM.
I actually meant to confer the story out of Luke chapter 4, Luke tells the exact same story but in Luke 4:14 this is written after the angels ministered unto Jesus. KEY POINT.
Luke 4:14 AND JESUS RETURNED, IN THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT INTO GALILEE, and there went out a fame of him through all the region.
Catch that ??????????? Jesus was led into the wilderness by the SPIRIT, but Jesus CAME OUT OF THE WILDERNESS IN THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT .......WHY ????? Because Jesus obeyed God and denied Satan a place in his heart. Obedience is Gods desire. If you or I dont walk in obedience, we will never, ever, ever know the Holy Spirit. You give your life to Christ, then you walk in his word, if not you will never get the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
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But why should we expect people who have never accepted Christ to know the Holy Spirit ?
I did accept Christ but I, again, didn't "know the holy spirit"
You were probably not guided properly. I remember Jimmy Swaggert telling everyone they must speak in tongues when they got the Holy Spirit, and that is/was wrong, not all people are given the same gifts. Obedience is God's desire, NOT SACRIFICE . 1 Samuel 15::22 Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in OBEYING THE VOICE OF THE LORD ? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
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It is impossible.
All things are possible with God. You have to grow in Christ, just like a baby starts out on milk, then takes on stronger food, you must grown in Christ.
Dude, he doesn't understand that the bible was written by the Holy Spirit. There is nothing you can tell people like this, because they know it all already, but they don't know anything.
Ironic.
You say ironic, but I know Jesus and the Holy Spirit personally and have seen His power and Glory. You cant in no wise prove God doesnt exist because you dont nor cant know what you dont know. I know God personally, and it is too bad that God wants people to FIND HIM BY FAITH , hence he wants people to seek him with all their hearts because you love his ways. He doesnt want you serving Him just because you FEAR Him, hence He chose the foolishness of preaching to call those unto him whom will hear.
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Just by reading the words of Jesus you can understand that he is not of this world.
What? Could you give me an example?
Are you kidding ? Just take the time the Pharisses tried to trap him by asking him if they (Jews) should pay tribute to Cesar or God. You see the Pharisees knew that the old testament was clear, that all tribute should be paid to God. So If Jesus stated this they would turn Jesus over to the Romans for treason against the state of Rome. If Jesus stated that the Jews should pay tribute to Rome, then Jesus would lose all credibility with the Jewish people and could be tried by the Senhedrin. So Jesus confounds them by saying : Pay unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars and unto God that which is God. Well you see, since the Pharisees all new the Old Testament like the back of their hand they knew that ALL WAS GODS. So they knew, Jesus told them to pay tribute only TO GOD, by stating this and THEY WERE ASTOUNDED.
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You cant know Christ until you are willing to lay down your ways and submit to his ways. These people haven't got one clue about how the Holy SPIRIT is an actual being that lives, and that Christians meet and that is as real as if you nd I were talking.
Ex-Christian here. I was a Christian for quite a while. I can honestly say I've never met the "holy spirit" nor have I "known" Christ. That doesn't even make sense.
Like I explained before sir, Jesus did not have the Gifts of the Holy Spirit until he OBEYED GOD and then the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Mark 1: 1-12 Then Jesus LED UP OF TH HOLY SPIRIT into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterwards hungered. 3 And when the tempter came ( Satan) to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command these stones to be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word the proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5. Then the Devil took him up into the Holy city, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple. 6. And said unto, if thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear the up ( take care of ) , lest at any time thou shall dash thy foot against a stone. 7. Jesus said unto him, it is written again, thou shall not temp the Lord thy God.
8. Again, the devil took him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them , 9 And said unto him, all these things I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me. 10. Then Jesus said unto him, get the hence, Satan : for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11. THEN THE DEVIL LEFT HIM, AND BEHOLD THE ANGELS CAME AND MINISTERED TO HIM.
I actually meant to confer the story out of Luke chapter 4, Luke tells the exact same story but in Luke 4:14 this is written after the angels ministered unto Jesus. KEY POINT.
Luke 4:14 AND JESUS RETURNED, IN THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT INTO GALILEE, and there went out a fame of him through all the region.
Catch that ??????????? Jesus was led into the wilderness by the SPIRIT, but Jesus CAME OUT OF THE WILDERNESS IN THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT .......WHY ????? Because Jesus obeyed God and denied Satan a place in his heart. Obedience is Gods desire. If you or I dont walk in obedience, we will never, ever, ever know the Holy Spirit. You give your life to Christ, then you walk in his word, if not you will never get the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
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But why should we expect people who have never accepted Christ to know the Holy Spirit ?
I did accept Christ but I, again, didn't "know the holy spirit"
You were probably not guided properly. I remember Jimmy Swaggert telling everyone they must speak in tongues when they got the Holy Spirit, and that is/was wrong, not all people are given the same gifts. Obedience is God's desire, NOT SACRIFICE . 1 Samuel 15::22 Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in OBEYING THE VOICE OF THE LORD ? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
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It is impossible.
All things are possible with God. You have to grow in Christ, just like a baby starts out on milk, then takes on stronger food, you must grown in Christ.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 2:03 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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You say ironic, but I know Jesus and the Holy Spirit personally and have seen His power and Glory.
Cop out.
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I know God personally, and it is too bad that God wants people to FIND HIM BY FAITH , hence he wants people to seek him with all their hearts because you love his ways. He doesnt want you serving Him just because you FEAR Him, hence He chose the foolishness of preaching to call those unto him whom will hear.
I've never understood why such an all powerful being would turn life into a game. What's the point of creating something and then damning it to hell to burn for all of eternity because it didn't pick up on your convoluted, intricate web of faith-based reasoning? What about psychopaths who are literally incapable of empathy? They go to hell because your god didn't give them the proper physiology?
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Are you kidding ? Just take the time the Pharisses tried to trap him by asking him if they (Jews) should pay tribute to Cesar or God.
And this simple little example is what you claim to be proof of a deity?
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Catch that ???????????
Not even close. Not sure anyone but you did. Answer questions with biblical quotes isn't necessarily part of engaging in a thoughtful discussion.
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You were probably not guided properly.
and who might be at fault for this? quote:
All things are possible with God.
That's awesome, considering you were the initial one to post that something was impossible.
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