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re: Fox: Minnesota officer who shot Daunte should have known difference between gun and Taser

Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:47 am to
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69606 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:47 am to
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Criminal should have known the difference between right and wrong



And the officer should have known the difference between a gun and a taser. Especially considering she had over 25 years experience on the force. This "Oops, my bad!" BS shouldn't fly in a court of law.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103112 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:02 am to
There is stupid all around here.

First off, kid doesn’t run due to outstanding warrants and there is no incident.

Second, even if hit with a taser there was no guarantee he goes down.

Third, given she made the mistake and thought she had the taser instead of the gun, this sounds like a Fruitvale Station type of incident where having a pistol grip taser and having it be in an unusual spot made the officer mistake one for the other when dealing with an unruly suspect.


IIRC, it came out that the PD in question foe the BART was having people share tasers rather than issuing them to all officers and the way they were wearing them caused confusion as to where it was on their body.


IMHO, the fact that it is a veteran and the police union head lends itself more to a bad situation due to a variety of factors than to being a shitty cop like the one who shot the Australian woman who had called the car and was reporting an incident when dumbass shot her from across the car.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:05 am to
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WTF?? = That is obscenely not true. What the hell do you base that ridiculous lie on??

Cops are yelling and rushing the individual. To disorient and confuse. It amps the situation. You can see it in the video. They're trained to do that.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:07 am to
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(name of town was my surname

Never heard of Bandit, AR. Sounds like a sketchy neighborhood.

After reading what happened to you. Town's name checks out.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:11 am to
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Humans err. We make mistakes. Root cause analysis rather than individual castigation is the solution.

That is exactly why "Just Culture" was implemented in hospitals for Process Improvement around medication errors.

PS: I know you know this, not lecturing you. Just FYI for others that may not be involved. It is a good system and has helped me a lot in the past.
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
18022 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:16 am to
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This is a such a low IQ take. Police aren’t punishing someone for fleeing, they are defending themselves.



Their job is not to defend themselves. Their job is to enforce the law. It's a hard job no doubt. They should get paid more and the truth is that women shouldn't be front line officers. But, they don't get to shoot people bc they are scared of what might happen. This was a bad shoot. Period. And the officer saying she thought she pulled her taser is either lying or a complete fricking idiot.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103112 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:21 am to
Fruitvale Station BART cop who shot someone did the exact thing and you could tell from the video just by looking at his own reaction to what happened.

More reason why tasers don’t need pistol grips. Not to be less scary but so you can tell the damn things apart from a pistol by touch.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108110 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:26 am to
He isn't wrong, but that certainly is not a unique or original take.

I want a job where I can state the obvious and people pay me to come on their shows to share it. I saw this same observation made when it was first reported to happen in a thread on this board.

Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36989 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:28 am to
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And the officer should have known the difference between a gun and a taser. Especially considering she had over 25 years experience on the force. This "Oops, my bad!" BS shouldn't fly in a court of law.
She is also the president of the police union and a field training officer. Her useless self was training one of the officers on this traffic stop when she shot the guy.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103112 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:29 am to
OK, now that is just darkly hilarious.

I can imagine her saying “Ok, now that was an example of what NOT to do” to them.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56129 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:30 am to
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"What stood out to me ... this was a senior police officer," Williams said. "This wasn’t a rookie. This is someone who had training. You expect someone with training, even in the cause of a situation like this, to take the appropriate action. She pulled out her Taser, she thought. What she actually pulled out was her gun."


SO THE LESSON FOR ALL PEOPLE

DON'T TRUST POLICE TRAINING IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT- JUST COMPLY

the officer will be fired...she will go through hell

I bet she feels terrible...a horrible situation

for the rest of us, we have to talk about Daunte's path in life...

that's the real issue at hand.

DOES ANYONE HAVE THE BALLS TO BRING IT OUT IN THE OPEN?



Posted by 56lsu
jackson mich
Member since Dec 2005
7847 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:41 am to
all cops are just revenue collectors for the city or state. they just get to wear a gun.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17346 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:42 am to
You're being too harsh. She made a mistake and I'm sure she feels awful.

Not to mention she's probably going to be unemployed soon.
Posted by nastywideouts
Member since Sep 2018
1541 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:44 am to
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Not to mention she's probably going to be unemployed soon.
She better be holding onto some big woman's towel in prison soon. Her actions are inexcusable.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17346 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:46 am to
She made a mistake. Let it go.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:47 am to
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She made a mistake. Let it go.

She made a mistake and should pay the penalty of that mistake. I don't think it should be assumed a cop who killed someone did wrong, but if they did wrong, there needs to be culpability.
Posted by nastywideouts
Member since Sep 2018
1541 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:48 am to
While he was not on the greatest of paths, her inability to do her job even close to appropriately has eliminated a 20 year old from this world. Wasn't his girlfriend in the car as well? So she saw him get shot point blank by an incompetent police officer. I'm sure her mental health will be okay knowing the office just made a mistake.
Posted by selfgen
youngsville
Member since Aug 2006
1162 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:50 am to
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I’m sorry, but a suspect attempting to flee shouldn’t automatically give the police license to execute them. This isn’t Judge Dredd.


Execute them? Execute them?
Are you kidding me? This was NO execution. She thought she was going to subdue him with a taser, but it was her gun. That’s far from an execution. It’s a sad turn of events but that’s the risk one takes when you are dealing face to face with law enforcement. It’s best to comply because deadly things can happen.
The “execution “ comment is just disgusting.
Posted by SOKAL
Member since May 2018
4124 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:50 am to
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for the rest of us, we have to talk about Daunte's path in life...

that's the real issue at hand.



It's part of the issue. The other part is - how exactly will defunding the police and reducing their training lead to fewer shitty results like this?

I have talked with LEOs enough to know that their training is far less extensive than people might assume.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:51 am to
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This was NO execution. She thought she was going to subdue him with a taser, but it was her gun. That’s far from an execution.

You think this makes it better or worse?
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