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re: For those of us who are Engineers, Doctors, Scientists….the people who provide REAL…
Posted on 2/7/25 at 11:47 pm to Narax
Posted on 2/7/25 at 11:47 pm to Narax
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Lesson number one of being an engineer is listen to the people who are working with whatever it is. App Users, Pilots, Maintainers etc... Whoever is familiar with it knows more about whats going on than the Engineer does. If you didn't design it and you aren't using it, don't assume you know what's going on. Gain Data, Investigate, then form theories.
I’m glad you said that. Because although his knowledge of what black magic is going on inside some of the processors and drivers we have is way beyond my comprehension, these drawings are 15 years old. My thought is he’s new, he trusted the as-built drawings, and he assumed it probably needed a deep dive.
I enjoy the discussions with most of them because I learn a lot. The ones I don’t enjoy are usually because of a snarky attitude or a lot of resistance towards our input.
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 11:50 pm to PurpleSingularity
I doubt it's the death knell, but I do believe they are going to try to somehow adapt to the new paradigm where authenticity rules. If you can't go on Joe Rogan for three hours you can get your poser arse the frick off the stage.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 11:52 pm to AUJACK
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I had a site supervisor who will give a prospective engineer or electronic technician hire during the interview a written quiz and the first question was "What is Ohm's Law?" You would be surprised how many Electrical Engineers and Electronic Techs would not answer correctly. If the prospective hire did not answer correctly they were not even considered.
Some good follow-up questions would be, what remains constant across all resistors in a series circuit? What remains constant across all resistors in a parallel circuit?
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:00 am to brad8504
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The recent ones make we wonder sometimes. They’re sharp guys and super great to work with, but another trait engineers have that irks me is they over analyze problems that require simple solutions.
We do that for liability reasons.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:01 am to doublecutter
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There are a lot of professions/ careers that provide value that are blue collar.
You sound like an elitist.
As an engineer I can confirm blue collar workers will come out better from all of this. Keep in mind, everyone (including ELON) is racing for AI. The thing about AI is it targets white collar jobs.
This post was edited on 2/8/25 at 12:02 am
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:03 am to brad8504
Current and voltage which is analogous to pressure and flow in the pipelines you work around.
This post was edited on 2/8/25 at 12:05 am
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:11 am to GumboPot
The single biggest asset a new hire Engineer can have on their resume is playing competetive team sports through high school, consistently. Football/hockey/basketball/golf.
In Oil you can’t produce your field without complete integration from engineer to consultant to operator/foreman. Hard men will not listen to a demeaning egg head.
Yo gumbo, you kinda said that backwards - voltage(pressure)
In Oil you can’t produce your field without complete integration from engineer to consultant to operator/foreman. Hard men will not listen to a demeaning egg head.
Yo gumbo, you kinda said that backwards - voltage(pressure)
This post was edited on 2/8/25 at 12:12 am
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:13 am to GumboPot
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We do that for liability reasons.
I can respect that, but given the above example, we could’ve saved 2 hours of discussion had they just listened to me.
Strip heaters do not have significant inrush current. These heaters are on or off. No rheostat. Just an RTD input, and an output to the line side of the breaker.
That is what baffled me.
I’ll give it a rest. This thread just stirred up some old frustrations.
On a positive note, the one I’m working with now has been super cool to work with. He has actually allowed me to install things as I see practical on our current project, and he’s actually coming out to the site next week.
One of the things I really like is the attention to detail he brings. This dude has pulled up 25 years’ worth of weather data to help make decisions, whereas some just find the cheapest option and run with it.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:18 am to brad8504
Its very frustrating to hear stories like that.
Guy shouldn’t have a job full stop. But some of these corporate models seem to reward do nothings.
Guy shouldn’t have a job full stop. But some of these corporate models seem to reward do nothings.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:19 am to Canada_Baw
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The single biggest asset a new hire Engineer can have on their resume is playing competetive team sports through high school, consistently. Football/hockey/basketball/golf.
In Oil you can’t produce your field without complete integration from engineer to consultant to operator/foreman. Hard men will not listen to a demeaning egg head.
I've been and ME in O&G for almost 25 years and spent a lot of time in the field. I have never had an issue with the operators, contractors, or any of the blue collar workers in the field. I have good relationships with many. Look, it's easy. You show interest in what they are doing, listen, respond and then bring them lunch.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:20 am to GumboPot
Just be a real man. One of the boys and mean it.
This post was edited on 2/8/25 at 12:21 am
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:21 am to brad8504
I'm on the pipeline engineering side. I sub out all the CP and E&I work.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:34 am to GumboPot
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I'm on the pipeline engineering side. I sub out all the CP and E&I work.
We typically sub out a lot of our big projects for, just as you mentioned, liability reasons. But, as technicians, we oversee the work and once complete, we maintain it and troubleshoot. I don’t know shite about HVAC, but they pushed us through training to obtain my 608 certificate. We sub all of that out anyway, but at least I can buy refrigerant for my house, if needed.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 12:59 am to brad8504
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I’m glad you said that. Because although his knowledge of what black magic is going on inside some of the processors and drivers we have is way beyond my comprehension, these drawings are 15 years old. My thought is he’s new, he trusted the as-built drawings, and he assumed it probably needed a deep dive.
Yea no magic comes with a engineering degree.
It's always better to gather data than crawl between a machine and the wall to tap into the connection.
But sometimes it has to be done.
To gumbos point electricity is like water, sometimes you have to see if the electricity is flowing and the data makes sense at each point.
Did my message make it to the server? Can I ping the port? Is my voltage coming into my system, does the signal come across? Am I on the right frequency? Are we decrypting right? If I run the code in the debugger does my memory look right? Let me put print statements everywhere...
Now as we get older, the I've seen this before starts creeping in. It can look a bit magical when we walk in and diagnosis a problem in 5 minutes.
But thats just oh yea this looks like that time... oh nice it's the same thing.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 1:02 am to PurpleSingularity
You don't even qualify as a wart on Big balls arse.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 1:24 am to PurpleSingularity
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people who provide REAL
Value
I'm sure you feel this way when your AC shits the bed in August, your plumbing drain clogs up and shite backs up in your tub, your roof springs a leak, your transmission goes out, you don't feel like cooking and go to a nice restaurant, etc...
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:12 am to PurpleSingularity
Most doctors and scientists struggle with anything other than there profession. So hopefully they make a lotta money to pay the illiterate to fix all their broke shite. Engineers on the other hand need a good spouse to remind them how to eat because any basis of common sense doesn’t fit into their programming
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