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re: Feud between The Daily Wire and Steven Crowder goes public...
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:38 am to Powerman
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:38 am to Powerman
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Well that's the thing about choice. He wasn't forced to work there and he chose not to.
He probably made the right choice for himself but it doesn't mean that the offer was unreasonable.
What is being ignored in all of this is that he is just trying to create new content and that's the whole point of this.
Crowder has to play the perpetual victim, and he's running out of ideas. Like someone said last night, he'd really put himself into a niche because he jumped on the "election fraud" train too hard and is now half a step away from Alex Jones territory. So now he's creating drama to create a new enemy to be persecuted by for content.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:39 am to Powerman
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it doesn't mean that the offer was unreasonable.
It was to Crowder, obviously.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:40 am to AUCom96
If you watch his show, then you know he used to do a very clever bit.
He would talk about a topic in a very precise way during the free portion of his show on youtube.
He would tell you, but these bastards at Youtube wont let me talk about this. You’ll have to come to the mug club portion of the show behind a paywall.
Also, this was just an injtial offer sheet that was expected to be negotiated. Hos first complaint to the DW was that he was already demonetized on youtube. So they would have just removed that section, they werent going to make him start off -20%, but if you do something after signing that impacts revenue —- it costs someone!
He would talk about a topic in a very precise way during the free portion of his show on youtube.
He would tell you, but these bastards at Youtube wont let me talk about this. You’ll have to come to the mug club portion of the show behind a paywall.
Also, this was just an injtial offer sheet that was expected to be negotiated. Hos first complaint to the DW was that he was already demonetized on youtube. So they would have just removed that section, they werent going to make him start off -20%, but if you do something after signing that impacts revenue —- it costs someone!
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:42 am to AUCom96
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It was to Crowder, obviously.
Allegedly, not obviously.
As I said above, this is likely just all acting and fake victimhood for content creation.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:44 am to msutiger
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At the same time, with this contract out in the open, it invites Big Tech to really clamp down on the DW hosts knowing they have a lot of incentive to bend.
Exactly. But Crowder probably thinks this is good. Now they may have no choice but to tell Big Tech to pound sand, in his eyes.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Probably the best explanation.
Crowder sat on this offer letter for months. So he obviously wasnt so offended as to immediately feel a need to expose this to his followers.
He was either mad they never countered, so he decided to hold their feet to the fire.
Or decided hed just use it for content.
Crowder sat on this offer letter for months. So he obviously wasnt so offended as to immediately feel a need to expose this to his followers.
He was either mad they never countered, so he decided to hold their feet to the fire.
Or decided hed just use it for content.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 6:47 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:46 am to Lou Pai
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But Crowder probably thinks this is good. Now they may have no choice but to tell Big Tech to pound sand, in his eyes.
This is the straw man he will likely create, yes.
He'll say "big-Con" (a new term I'm sure he'll run into the ground) SHOULD be telling Big Tech to pound sand, but since they won't, they are obviously part of [whatever label he uses for the out group persecuting him]"
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:47 am to SlowFlowPro
The irony here is Crowder barely pushes on the edges of what is permissible on YouTube. Other content providers that do discuss verboten YouTube topics like libertarians Styx and Razorfist only release those video topics as New Tech exclusives on platforms like Rumble. Crowder still self -censors to avoid YT strikes. He would just have to self censor more under a DW contract and always live under the stress of knowing that an astroturf pink haired brigade would form and complain to YT, YT would strike and DW would reduce his fee.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:48 am to i am dan
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Nobody on this planet is worth $50M for 4 years.
Know how I know you know nothing about business?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:48 am to GumboPot
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He would just have to self censor more under a DW contract
Why?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:50 am to GumboPot
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He would just have to self censor more under a DW contract and always live under the stress of knowing that an astroturf pink haired brigade would form and complain to YT, YT would strike and DW would reduce his fee.
Or accept a lower consideration and
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:52 am to GumboPot
Go listen to the DW video explaining their side.
Crowder is already demonetized on YT. DW didnt know, he told them on first phone call after getting offer sheet. That would have just been removed from contract. they werent asking him to start -20%
Crowder is already demonetized on YT. DW didnt know, he told them on first phone call after getting offer sheet. That would have just been removed from contract. they werent asking him to start -20%
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 6:53 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:53 am to Lou Pai
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Why?
AstroTurf campaign complains to YT for organizations like ShareBlue.
YT bends to the pressure.
YT strikes.
Crowder’s payments from DW are reduced (by 25% I believe).
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:55 am to GumboPot
How is that any different than his current situation?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:57 am to Lou Pai
After the strike is lifted Crowder still gets YT revenue. Under the DW contract he would continue to live under the reduced DW payment.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:59 am to GumboPot
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After the strike is lifted Crowder still gets YT revenue. Under the DW contract he would continue to live under the reduced DW payment.
I seriously doubt that
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:59 am to GumboPot
Maybe I missed that, would be surprising if so. Seems like something you can negotiate if that is the case though.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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I seriously doubt that
Watch the 7 minute Styx video I posted earlier. He gives the TL/DR version of the contract and the T&Cs that were the deal breaker.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:02 am to GumboPot
Crowder is already demonetized on Youtube. Dw didnt know but would have removed
And the offer sheet had clauses to reinstate the deducted pay after the trigger for the penalty went away. (90 days)
Crowder could have offered any alternative he wanted. But ultimately he wanted 30 million a year instead of the 12.5 initially offered and chose not to even negotiate. He wanted a sugar daddy, not a business partner.
OR, just faking outrage for content.
And the offer sheet had clauses to reinstate the deducted pay after the trigger for the penalty went away. (90 days)
Crowder could have offered any alternative he wanted. But ultimately he wanted 30 million a year instead of the 12.5 initially offered and chose not to even negotiate. He wanted a sugar daddy, not a business partner.
OR, just faking outrage for content.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 7:03 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:07 am to AUCom96
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It needs to be confronted and exposed.
What? The idea that we get paid for the money we make our employers?
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