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re: Federal Communications Commission set to reverse net neutrality rules

Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:59 am to
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
4672 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:59 am to
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Porn hub has already come out against the FCC getting rid of NN.
Oh I know. I'm just saying that the bill people will be seeing could lead to some interesting conversations
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5384 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:59 am to
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??? Free as in, the complementary wifi you access at Starbucks? Do you think that's free?



Free to me, yes. And that's what I care about. Would they take it away if prices rose that high? Probably. But they never would rise anywhere near that so I'm not interested in discussing fear mongering, hyperbolic statements.

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Yes, I agree. It would be called "paying only for the sites you want to access"



Cool. Well let's worry about that when I'm not paying $35 a month for unrestricted high speed internet. No reason to create a solution for a hypothetical problem that doesn't exist when the current system works just fine, thank you.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 11:03 am
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
18422 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:00 am to
For those that don't understand, think of the bandwidth you get as water from you local utility company.
You want to be charged for the amount of water you get/use and not for how it's used.

If this is rolled back then the utility company can come in and prioritize water use. They can prioritize water used for cooking over water used for bathing and change different prices for each if not cutting off your access all together.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:00 am to
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his point went clear over your head


Considering that's the most used argument on TD "what if you couldn't access your favorite conservative websites".

It's always doom and gloom with you people.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21463 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:00 am to
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Government controlled anything is anything but clued-in.


So because the govt gave the telecom companies the internet you think its a free market.

Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
79598 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:01 am to
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Yes, I agree. It would be called "paying only for the sites you want to access"



There are over 1 billion websites. How can you possibly break that down?

If I want Netflix, ESPN, and Amazon that should cost me what? 1 penny?
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9694 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:01 am to
I wonder how long it will take the globalist mega corps Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T to shutdown 4chan/Infowars/Drudge and the other alt-right hubs after they're given total unrestricted control of internet traffic
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:02 am to
What do you think ISPs are less likely to censor than Google and Co.?

At least I can get around Google censoring something.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:04 am to
YUUUPPP
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9967 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:04 am to
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my god another person who doesn't know the difference between content and the gateway to content.


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You realize that Google can remove something for Google search results, but you can still access it directly, right?

Or use a minimal amount of effort to use one of countless other search engines. If an ISP simply blocks a website, it is orders of magnitude harder to get around






Anytime something even resembling what you guys are talking about has been done by an ISP they have had so much backlash that they stopped it.

On the other hand, Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al are doing what I am saying on a daily basis and not a peep comes out about it.

Look, nobody "likes" the ISPs and it's because of that that anytime one of them would try to do this it would backfire on them.

I'm just not seeing why a law needs to be passed to stop things that are fixing themselves.

Please explain. I'd be willing to listen.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:06 am to
Why would they censor anything?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21463 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:06 am to
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The internet is not classified as a utility.


It absolutely should be.

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Where is the Cable Neutrality protest to stop Comcast and Cox from gouging you?


I think thats precisely the reason people are up in arms over this.

Internet/cable companies already run roughshod over their customers because they know that the customers have no where else to turn to.

NN will simply cement the collusion already in place between cable companies.

I at anyone who thinks of the internet as a free market.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:07 am to
Why would Google censor conservative websites? I mean they currently do, so the question is redundant.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:10 am to
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Why would Google censor conservative websites? I mean they currently do, so the question is redundant.


Is your answer they are just going to do it?

Which conservative websites are censored by Google? Obviously not TD.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:11 am to
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Anytime something even resembling what you guys are talking about has been done by an ISP they have had so much backlash that they stopped it.


But let’s give them the power do that.... because.

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On the other hand, Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al are doing what I am saying on a daily basis and not a peep comes out about it


I dislike the double standard, but that’s like looking at a disproportionate number of workplace injuries happening to men and deciding the way to fix it is to just kill a bunch of women.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24078 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:11 am to
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How so? Explain to me how it is so much cheaper and faster in other countries and yet ours has to double because it's open?


Because their governments followed the same pattern as the Texas deregulation of the power industry.
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Starting around 2000, the government required BT to allow other broadband providers to use its lines to deliver service. That's known as "local loop unbundling" -- other providers could lease the loops of copper that runs from the telephone company office to homes and back and set up their own servers and routers in BT facilities.

BT dragged its feet and very few firms stepped up to compete with the telephone giant. "The prices were too high," Black says. "There were huge barriers to entry. The processes were long and drawn out."

When Black was named Telecommunications Adjudicator in 2004, he fought on two fronts to break the BT logjam. First, he used his own experience as a former employee of the telecom giant to push for change from the inside. When that wasn't enough, he used the bully pulpit provided by his government post to embarrass BT in public. He publicized the company's failure to meet goals. Reporters loved the story of the government regulator holding the giant firm's feet to the fire.

"Embarrassment works, you know?" he laughs.

When Black started work, only 12,000 British homes had multiple broadband providers. By the time he stepped down in 2008, about 5 million did, and today the number's closer to 6 million. "That's about a 500-fold increase in less than ten years," he says.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35087 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:13 am to
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Government controlled anything is anything but clued-in.


You're championing unlimited control by local governments.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
67960 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:14 am to
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So, we will see how the market rewards/penalizes the company that does something stupid.


What market? Monopolies don’t get penalized.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9967 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:15 am to
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Anytime something even resembling what you guys are talking about has been done by an ISP they have had so much backlash that they stopped it.


But let’s give them the power do that.... because.



The government needs to pass a law so that they can be in charge of an issue that is currently resolving itself...because.




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On the other hand, Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al are doing what I am saying on a daily basis and not a peep comes out about it


I dislike the double standard, but that’s like looking at a disproportionate number of workplace injuries happening to men and deciding the way to fix it is to just kill a bunch of women.





Damn. You nailed that one.
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5384 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:16 am to
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The government needs to pass a law so that they can be in charge of an issue that is currently resolving itself...because.


This is pretty much one of those "because my party told me I should support it and I better listen to daddy" situations.
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