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Posted on 3/8/18 at 10:34 pm to Azkiger
quote:because if you knew anything at all, or if you actually read my post, you would know that it matters. it's like reading one line in a set of instructions and expecting to understand what you are assembling. it's stupid. but you keep acting like you know something about biblical interpretation when you clearly don't even though it's been spelled out to you plainly
Why go into any more detail?
quote:yet you said the context doesn't matter. which is it?
I'm perfectly aware the purpose behind this law/practice
quote:because
it doesn't change my opinion of it
1. you aren't acknowledging that you have no grounds on which to judge their culture or God's commands to them despite being asked for it multiple times
2. you aren't acknowledging that the prescribed sentence is ultimately irrelevant. you know in advance what the sentence is so don't act in violation of it. do the crime, do the time. if you are in violation, that's your fault, not the fault of whoever created the rule.
3. you are ignoring the whole point of the rule. if you weren't, then you wouldn't have a problem with it. yet, you are also saying that you understand the context so, you're definitely being inconsistent
quote:THERE WE GO. finally we're getting somewhere. next time, lead with this instead of your bullcrap, smug, condescending attitude like you know something you don't know and treat people like crap. what do you say champ?
I cannot understand
quote:that's because you are once again committing multiple fallacies. first, you are using smuggled in authority to make this proclamation. second, you are yet again failing to acknowledge the purpose of the rule. third, you are failing to acknowledge that the rule exists BECAUSE God loves the people. if you had bothered to read through chapter 22, you would see that these situations all revolve around the value of life. that's what they're protecting in the first place.
I place more value on a woman's life
quote:you're assuming that they definitely punished one of these really rare instances due to ignorance. can you prove this happened? otherwise, you haven't answered the question
Many women do not bleed during their first intercourse due to various reasons (not born with a hymen, hymen broke earlier in life during non-sexual activities like heavy lifting or horseback riding, etc.). Under God's perfect law many innocent women would have been stoned to death.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 3/9/18 at 12:56 am to anc
An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he turned to her and said, “Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.”
The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”
“Oh, I don’t know,” said the atheist. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?” as he smiled smugly.
“Okay,” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”
The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.”
To which the little girl replies, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don’t know crap?”
And then she went back to reading her book.
The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”
“Oh, I don’t know,” said the atheist. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?” as he smiled smugly.
“Okay,” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”
The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.”
To which the little girl replies, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don’t know crap?”
And then she went back to reading her book.
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:52 am to Azkiger
quote:that's what i thought would happen. when pressed for you to actually justify your crap views, you turn to the ad hominem. way to perpetuate the stereotype. oh, but i'm the "annoying apologist." here's a question, have you ever thought that "apologists" wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for geniuses like you who intentionally misrepresent things?
Azkiger
Posted on 3/10/18 at 11:47 am to bfniii
quote:
that's what i thought would happen. when pressed for you to actually justify your crap views, you turn to the ad hominem. way to perpetuate the stereotype. oh, but i'm the "annoying apologist." here's a question, have you ever thought that "apologists" wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for geniuses like you who intentionally misrepresent things?
No, that's not it at all. For whatever reason (be it willful or just plain ignorant) you seem unable to follow simple conversation. You keep asserting that I'm ignoring context. I've addressed the context you pretend I haven't considered and have already told you that I value a woman's life more than whether or not she is a virgin on her wedding night. You can keep crying about the importance sexual purity all you want, in order to agree with the Old Testament prescription of stoning non-virgins on their wedding nights you have to value a woman's virginity more than her own life. I asked you point blank that question and its answer was noticeable vacant from your response to me.
Why didn't you include an answer to my point black question? To make room for other mindless bullshite... Of course... Cutting out a "I cannot understand" and replying with "THERE WE GO. finally we're getting somewhere. next time, lead with this instead of your bullcrap, smug, condescending attitude like you know something you don't know and treat people like crap. what do you say champ?" isn't pressing me to justify my views, it serves zero purpose outside of being an antagonizing distraction.
I'm not going to even get into how you're making up logical fallacies. Seriously, how the frick do you come to the conclusion that someone simply stating that they put more value into a woman's life than her virginity isn't only a logical fallacy, but three logical fallacies. Yes, all you deserve is a "God damn you're dumb".
Honestly at this point I suspect you're not a Christian at all, but an atheist acting retarded on purpose to smear Christians. That or a troll. Either way I'm not responding to you anymore.
This post was edited on 3/10/18 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/10/18 at 1:53 pm to Azkiger
Will you two kiss and make up?
Posted on 3/10/18 at 1:56 pm to anc
You are giving your daughter a don't frick book from someone whose whole appeal is that lots of sports fans want to frick her.
Sure that will work out
Sure that will work out
This post was edited on 3/10/18 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 3/10/18 at 1:57 pm to Azkiger
Did that make you feel good? Was it everything you hoped it would be?
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:37 pm to Azkiger
quote:and this is of course a stupid comment because it's a horrible characterization of the passage you are citing. not surprising given your lack of interpretation skills. all you're doing is repeating your assertion that i've already addressed. you are acting like you have the moral authority to judge that prohibition as wrong without substantiating your authority.
I value a woman's life more than whether or not she is a virgin on her wedding night.
you say you understand the purpose of the prohibition but then act like it doesn't matter because the prohibition isn't to your liking. if you understand the purpose, then you don't have a problem with the prohibition.
you say you "value" a woman but then ignore the context that much of the chapter is devoted to establishing the value of God's creation. also, you're acting like this one command is the only command that establishes their value on a woman, which is not the case as has been pointed out to you multiple times.
but why don't you just repeat your tired, refuted assertion again with more insults because that's really moving the conversation along
quote:because i was trying to point out that you don't know crap about the Bible and you need to start acting like it
Why didn't you include an answer to my point black question?
quote:yeah, this coming from the person who is lecturing others from ignorance. good job sport
To make room for other mindless bullshite
quote:i explained it. now tell me how it was wrong without just repeating your original stupid, trolling assertion.
how the frick do you come to the conclusion that someone simply stating that they put more value into a woman's life than her virginity isn't only a logical fallacy, but three logical fallacies
quote:you would say that given that you are committing them and haven't found a way to insult out of them. yeah, saying context matters, asking you to morally justify your view and exegetical analysis of the passage/chapter are "making up" a logical fallacy.
you're making up logical fallacies
quote:probably for the best. suggestion: i can suggest to you some commentaries on deuteronomy. it would be a way for you to dip your toes into the shallow end of biblical interpretation. if you're a jackass troll, you'll refuse. if you're actually interested in admitting you're ignorant and want to learn, you'll accept.
I'm not responding to you anymore.
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