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re: Explain how the ‘Deep State’ was formed?
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:47 pm to Bison
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:47 pm to Bison
If you can explain Lois Lerner doing what she did and getting away with it and John Koskinen coming to the IRS subsequent to the revelations about her activities and his continuing to lie and conceal for years thereafter to hide the truth and keep his own job, then you’ve explained The Deep State.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:48 pm to Tigerdev
You still can't rebut. "Nuh uh" isn't a response.
None of us said it's a "conspiracy" either. The deep state is a large segment of bureaucrats who are bucking the election of Trump and his policies because they know better/i.e. are scared for their jobs
None of us said it's a "conspiracy" either. The deep state is a large segment of bureaucrats who are bucking the election of Trump and his policies because they know better/i.e. are scared for their jobs
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:50 pm to NIH
Ok you are in of your troll moods so I'll let you go. I've actually responded to your point and you continually ignore mine so that's that.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:51 pm to GeorgeWest
Rarely agree on anything? I imagine 9/10 career bureaucrats in D.C believe that a.) shrinking government is bad b.) deregulation is harmful.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:51 pm to Tigerdev
Saying "you're wrong" without clarifying isn't a response.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:51 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:
There is no unified "deep State" in any real sense in part because government officials rarely agree on anything.
-War
-Mass surevillance
-Deficits
-Foreign and military aid to wealthy countries
All continue unabated regardless of who is in office and the mainstream media virtually blacks out any politician whose platform is to end any of these things. There was a concerted effort to do this to Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:52 pm to Dead End
Healthy distrust and holding feds to a higher standard is one thing and is needed. Actively painting the entire FBI and Intel community as illegitimate tools of a secret society sworn to destroy the President is another thing all together.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:55 pm to NIH
In other words......I have no proof other than the beliefs I allowed to penetrate my tin foil head armour.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:56 pm to Bison
quote:
Explain how the ‘Deep State’ was formed?
Absolute power corrupts
Not partisan
Human nature
From vid below for those too lazy to watch...

Youtube
Focus on the presenter and content presented
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Kevin Shipp was a decorated CIA officer who refused to look the other way in regard to government criminality and cover-up. At a very important public awareness event in Northern California, on July 28th, 2017, Mr. Shipp presented a shocking and compelling presentation on numerous, horrific and ongoing government crimes. The total persecution of anyone who dares to tell the truth about rampant government tyranny is also fully exposed. The paradigm we have all known has been built on deception and the dark agendas of the global power structure. The courage Kevin Shipp has shown by doing his best to expose government criminality and tyranny serves as a stellar example to us all.
We desperately need other individuals in government agencies and the US military to follow Kevin's lead. All of us are essential in the battle to help wake the masses to the truth so that the whistleblowers have the support they need to come forward. If we have any chance of stopping the completely out of control criminal cabal that currently runs our country and much of the world, we must all make our voices heard, we must all join the fight for the greater good.
There may not be such a thing as "ex-CIA" (he may be a limited hangout or disinformation), but he is legit CIA...
NY Times article vetting him as such
quote:
Ex-C.I.A. Agent Goes Public With Story of Mistreatment on the Job
By CHARLIE SAVAGEFEB. 10, 2011
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But this was no ordinary case. The employee, Kevin M. Shipp, was a veteran Central Intelligence Agency officer. His home was at Camp Stanley, an Army weapons depot just north of San Antonio, in an area where the drinking water was polluted with toxic chemicals. The post includes a secret C.I.A. facility.
Declaring that its need to protect state secrets outweighed the Shipps’ right to a day in court, the government persuaded a judge to seal the case and order the family and their lawyers not to discuss it, and to later dismiss the lawsuit without any hearing on the merits, Mr. Shipp said.
More than half a decade later, Mr. Shipp is going public with his story. He contends that the events broke up his marriage and destroyed his career, and that C.I.A. officials abused the State Secrets Privilege doctrine in an effort to cover up their own negligence.
The highlighted info above will make more sense once you watch the vid above
This overview is part 1 (deep state/shadow government is defined)
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:56 pm to NIH
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If you don't think there is a large element of unelected government intelligence and law enforcement officials that believe that they're above the citizens, you're being willfully obtuse
That’s great.
Now answer OP’s question smarty pants.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:58 pm to ThinePreparedAni
jfk library
Speech/audio there
quote:
John F. Kennedy SpeechesThe President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, April 27, 1961
Speech/audio there
quote:
I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity.
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If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.
It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 2:59 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
NIH is just playing games in this thread. He's a good dude but he gets in these moods sometimes. I just move on.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:00 pm to Bison
quote:
Explain how the ‘Deep State’ was formed?
It was a dark and stormy night.
There was the sound of a crash.
Worst accident I ever seen.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:07 pm to SoulGlo
Well said, there was no mastermind that started this. It comes down to people having unelected power over others and not wanting to part with that power
Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:09 pm to CapperVin
1st post was about the "who"
Below is the "how" (propoganda arms, which are also becoming less relevant with time)
Part 2:
Part 1: Overview of the Deep State
Prior thread about Hollywood/CIA
Prior thread discussing the Hollywood / CIA connection
The posts in this thread will discuss the pervasive influence of the Deep State on our culture. We will look at how they use Hollywood /film, music, the arts, "fashion", marketing,etc. for influence and "other" purposes (hearts and minds...)
The goal of the Deep State in my opinion is to bitterly divide folks. In the process, weakening (obese and sub/infertile culture) and debasing a society that is complacent, distracted and easy to "rule" over.
We will make an arguement that many events that have occurred in recent history were engineered/nudged. Specifically, the 60's counter culture scene (heavily influenced by music) was in a large part engineered by the intelligence community. When this is understood, it makes the seemingly confusing events/movements of present day America make more sense. It also clarifies why our "artists" seem to be preoccupied with clumsily giving us their unsolicited personal political opinions.
The first topic will be movie "magik"
I will update the thread periodically as it will take a while to present...
TD Thread this is from
Below is the "how" (propoganda arms, which are also becoming less relevant with time)

Part 2:
Part 1: Overview of the Deep State
Prior thread about Hollywood/CIA
Prior thread discussing the Hollywood / CIA connection
The posts in this thread will discuss the pervasive influence of the Deep State on our culture. We will look at how they use Hollywood /film, music, the arts, "fashion", marketing,etc. for influence and "other" purposes (hearts and minds...)
The goal of the Deep State in my opinion is to bitterly divide folks. In the process, weakening (obese and sub/infertile culture) and debasing a society that is complacent, distracted and easy to "rule" over.
quote:
Psychological warfare (PSYWAR), or the basic aspects of modern psychological operations (PSYOP), have been known by many other names or terms, including MISO, Psy Ops, political warfare, "Hearts and Minds", and propaganda.[1] The term is used "to denote any action which is practiced mainly by psychological methods with the aim of evoking a planned psychological reaction in other people".[2] Various techniques are used, and are aimed at influencing a target audience's value system, belief system, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. It is used to induce confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics. It is also used to destroy the morale of enemies through tactics that aim to depress troops' psychological states.[3][4] Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals, and is not just limited to soldiers. Civilians of foreign territories can also be targeted by technology and media so as to cause an effect in the government of their country.[5]
We will make an arguement that many events that have occurred in recent history were engineered/nudged. Specifically, the 60's counter culture scene (heavily influenced by music) was in a large part engineered by the intelligence community. When this is understood, it makes the seemingly confusing events/movements of present day America make more sense. It also clarifies why our "artists" seem to be preoccupied with clumsily giving us their unsolicited personal political opinions.
The first topic will be movie "magik"
I will update the thread periodically as it will take a while to present...
TD Thread this is from
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:11 pm to bamafan1001
What proof is there of this motive? It's awfully convenient for Trump and his supporters to believe in the boogeyman but outside of that there isn't much substance here.
The bottom line is that the notion of Russia's actions aiding the Trump campaign is not something he or his supporters can accept because it makes them look bad. That's all this has ever been about.
The bottom line is that the notion of Russia's actions aiding the Trump campaign is not something he or his supporters can accept because it makes them look bad. That's all this has ever been about.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:11 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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That’s great.
Now answer OP’s question smarty pants.
I don’t know that there is a definitive answer.
My bet would be that the deep state came into existence resultant of fedgov becoming so behemoth in size, certain factions lost power and control.
Therefore, discreet, unelected sects emerged for the purpose of pushing an alternate, non-elected agenda.
I don’t believe deep state started as the ultimate creation of a clandestine entity; rather, it evolved over time.
My apologies for not linking a direct source, this is simply my opinion.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:13 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Now answer OP’s question smarty pants.
The Deep State isn't opposed to a man. The Deep State exists to perpetuate a series of policies that benefit the wealthy and powerful at the expense of the average American. You think the average American benefits from a 17 year war in Afghanistan? It's his kids that die in the war. You think the average American benefits from a complete and total loss of privacy? Who does? The tech companies and defense contractors.
Compare it historically to the Gilded Age. Who do you think was more powerful, J.P. Morgan or Grover Cleveland? It's the same principle today, except it's big business mixed with big government to fleece the American taxpayers and turn us into a soft fascist state.
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:18 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Good substantive comment as always, George.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:20 pm to Bison
I see the useful idiot talking points went out.
This is the what, third, deep state thread started in the last 24 hours.
I bet you were all screaming at the sky about muh deep state when W was stealing elections and faking building 7 and phony WMD and Cheney/Halliburton muh oil. And muh Blackwater.
Talking point btfo.
This is the what, third, deep state thread started in the last 24 hours.
I bet you were all screaming at the sky about muh deep state when W was stealing elections and faking building 7 and phony WMD and Cheney/Halliburton muh oil. And muh Blackwater.
Talking point btfo.
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