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re: Ebola Nurse in Maine Takes a Bike Ride - Cops Follow
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:08 pm to Cockopotamus
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:08 pm to Cockopotamus
quote:Tell me more.
forehead temps are as reliable as ones taken orally.
Please do discuss reliability of temps, measuring devices, and accuracy of measurements obtained in different manners, as well as timing during a febrile process. Excepting certain CPB cases which involve thoracic cooling, I'm kind of partial to esophageal or PA temperatures personally. Intranasal contact pads work well too. But those are applicable under different circumstances. Seriously though, I'm all ears. Have at it.
But then we have to address the process as it relates to screening sites. So again, since you may have missed it, infrared thermometers are used in many Ebola screening settings. I would guess (and it's only a guess) the vast majority of screenings outside of healthcare settings use IR. The technology if used properly is fine. If you'd like to get technical (as apparently you would
), IR in tympanic application is often more far more accurate, reliable. and useful than oral measurement. Bottomline though in this case is once a temp of 101 was registered, Hickox had bought herself an overnight stay.
Think of it another way. If Dr. Spencer (the bowler) had misplaced his oral thermometer, and so had measured his temp at 101 degrees via IR instead, but then took his temp a while later when he found his oral thermometer, and he was 98.6, what would be said about that? He would have been excoriated!
What would be said about it if he did not turn out to have Ebola?
From a prospective standpoint the scenarios are identical regardless of outcome.
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Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:09 pm to NC_Tigah
Rectal temps on everyone. Then we know it's accurate 
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:19 pm to lsunurse
Took a very late lunch today, and while I couldn't hear the news report, it appears that a judge has ruled that the state of Maine cannot force this woman to be quarantined.
I guess she can ride her bike wherever she wants to now.
I guess she can ride her bike wherever she wants to now.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:22 pm to KCT
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:27 pm to NHTIGER
I would still like to know why our military is being quarantined away from their families (and everyone else) for 21 days if it isn't necessary. I read Obama's explanation---it's because they aren't interacting directly with patients. WTF does that mean?
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:28 pm to NHTIGER
From your link:
Why didn't she just say that from the get-go and cooperate instead of being a raging count? Would've made things a lot easier all around.
quote:
For the time being, Hickox has no plans to mingle with townspeople, according to Fort Kent Police Chief Thomas Pelletier.
“My impression of what they want to do is not cause any more of an uproar in the community,” he said. “They do not want to be martyrs in the community. They do not want to be flagrant and walking around in the community. They’ve told me that’s not going to happen.”
Why didn't she just say that from the get-go and cooperate instead of being a raging count? Would've made things a lot easier all around.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:31 pm to lsunurse
quote:Stool is a great insulator. So you might need to do a thorough digital exam first.
Rectal temps on everyone. Then we know it's accurate
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:31 pm to Al Dante
She's probably gunning for a job on MSNBC
Don't laugh. A trained poodle would be better than MHP.
Don't laugh. A trained poodle would be better than MHP.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:32 pm to skeeter531
quote:So would the Italians
I would still like to know why our military is being quarantined away from their families (and everyone else) for 21 days if it isn't necessary.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:34 pm to Al Dante
quote:She initially refused. Sounds like she changed her mind when she found out she could be quarantined.
Why didn't she just say that from the get-go and cooperate instead
Probably the best ending all around.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:58 pm to Al Dante
quote:She said it at least yesterday and has probably said that since being in Maine. She probably wanted to avoid any 3 foot rule or cops following her around wherever she goes.
Why didn't she just say that from the get-go and cooperate instead of being a raging count? Would've made things a lot easier all around.
If you have the 3 foot rule and someone walks up to her the cops would probably throw her back in a tent under lock and key.
When she got to Maine the governor wanted to keep her inside her house originally. Then he's been backing off step by step like Christie did.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 5:01 pm to skeeter531
quote:Part of it is that they are staying Italy who has no control over what they've been doing in Africa. Secondly it's just an extra step but they aren't locked into buildings. They are probably just acting like they normally do without going off base.
I would still like to know why our military is being quarantined away from their families (and everyone else) for 21 days if it isn't necessary. I read Obama's explanation---it's because they aren't interacting directly with patients. WTF does that mean?
Posted on 10/31/14 at 5:26 pm to mmcgrath
they are confined to one building and cannot see their families.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 6:08 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Part of it is that they are staying Italy who has no control over what they've been doing in Africa. Secondly it's just an extra step but they aren't locked into buildings. They are probably just acting like they normally do without going off base.
makes no sense at all, if one of them is infected you wouldn't want them all confined together,, but it sounds like you buy whatever excuse comes down the pipe without questioning it.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 7:43 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
They are probably just acting like they normally do without going off base.
Lol...no
Posted on 10/31/14 at 9:54 pm to mmcgrath
So...
Did her roommate in Africa develop Ebola?
Did her roommate in Africa develop Ebola?
Posted on 10/31/14 at 10:30 pm to jlc05
quote:Right now I don't know. Apparently the judge thought it was a non-issue. I couldn't imagine a judge would ignore an actual roommate with Ebola. I suspect that the claim was a throw-in on the brief since they didn't have any medical evidence to back them up.
So...
Did her roommate in Africa develop Ebola?
IMO, People up in Maine and other far northern states tend to have their science in order. I suspect the governor knew that a mandatory locked in the house quarantine was unnecessary but unfortunately politics (and political fear) put him in a corner.
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 10:32 pm
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