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re: Ds and Rs nominees-latest Quinnipiac poll
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:13 pm to papasmurf1269
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:13 pm to papasmurf1269
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I don't know yet but you can bet your arse I wouldn't vote for that lying trash.
Serious question, not trolling, why do you think she is a liar?
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:13 pm to Smalls
quote:I think Ben Carson is competent and Romney too.
Please explain what you think is "competent
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:15 pm to wfeliciana
Benghazi comes to mind.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:16 pm to papasmurf1269
Okay. What did she lie about there?
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:16 pm to papasmurf1269
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Benghazi comes to mind.
Nice talking points. Care to go into detail?
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:18 pm to Smalls
Not really. It speaks for itself. What difference does it make.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:19 pm to papasmurf1269
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I think Ben Carson is competent and Romney too.
I would find Romney more competent than Carson. I don't know that a physician is ready to run the monster that is the federal government.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:19 pm to Smalls
wfeliciana and you both say you want to get things done. What things do you two want done?
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:19 pm to Smalls
quote:The Tea Party, specifically, really hit the ground running in response to the 2008 election, but the election, itself, showed how far the party had gone, by maneuvering McCain into position to run against Obama. Before 2008, the GOP had the Presidency, and for a short time, both houses of congress, so the fervor wasn't as heightened.
Can you give me an example of where the Republican party has drifted left? I'm not trolling, I'm serious. I can't really think of anything. The rise of the "Tea Party" was a reaction to Obama, not the Republican establishment
But you could argue that the GOP started moving left after Gingrich resigned (shortly before GWB became president). Bush, himself, isn't a Conservative by any stretch, and he and the GOP congress actually made the government so much bigger after 9/11, contrary to Conservative principles. Big government, big spending, lax immigration policy, and the no child left behind legislation showed where the GOP stood.
quote:I think that many Conservatives were getting pretty fed up with GWB by the end of his tenure, but the response to the "moderate" was to escort someone (arguably) further left into the GOP campaign in 2008. That was the last straw that pushed a lot of Conservatives over the edge, especially since the result was so disastrous to the country (as many Conservatives believed).
...then the "Tea Party" would have shown up a lot sooner than the Obama administration.
The situation was further exasperated in 2012 with Romney, who was also not a Conservative, getting the nod to go up against Obama. In spite of Obama's liberal first term, he still managed to beat Romney, who was very lackluster and failed to get the GOP base motivated to vote.
And this goes back to my original point: the GOP, by trying to appear more moderate, is actually doing itself more harm. Voters already know that Democrats own the social and economic liberal platforms. By adopting the same platforms, the GOP is only going to lose its base, while those who are sympathetic to the liberal ideals have no reason to stray from the tried-and-true liberal Democrats who have consistently maintained those positions.
What we have here are two fundamental philosophies about government: bigger and smaller. Republicans who jump on the "bigger" train are hailed by the liberals as being open-minded while those who hold to the smaller government position are ridiculed as "fringe" and "extreme". And with those buzz words, the Conservatives are marginalized (for no good reason), because a moderate Republican isn't much of a change to a liberal Democrat. At least an "extremist" Conservative (Republican or Tea Party Libertarian) would offer something different for the voters to consider, and I'd rather a candidate lose based on their principles than win acting like a Democrat. But that's just my opinion.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:21 pm to Smalls
Maybe we need someone that is not a career politician.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:22 pm to papasmurf1269
I guess none papasmurf other than showing whether you had a basis to say she is a liar.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:26 pm to papasmurf1269
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Not really. It speaks for itself. What difference does it make.
A horrible moment for our country, no doubt. Do I think that HRC is sitting at State that night purposefully orchestrating chaos leading to the death of a U.S. Ambassador? I really doubt it.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:28 pm to OleWar
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say you want to get things done. What things do you two want done?
Wow, where do I start. First, try to bring the country together, and not pull us further apart. I'd like for the President and the House leaders and the Senate leaders to actually meet and talk. Then there is a laundry list--the economy, immigration reform, education, the costs of a college education, better training for technical jobs, assisting DoD in creating a modern fighting force and cutting a way the needless spending there. That's a start for my list.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:29 pm to Smalls
Especially a US Ambassador that was a close personal friend.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:34 pm to OleWar
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wfeliciana and you both say you want to get things done. What things do you two want done?
I'd like to see:
-The border get secured.
-Comprehensive immigration reform.
-A balanced budget.
-A reduction in the federal workforce.
-A reduction in corporate welfare.
-A reduction in the public welfare roles.
-More programs left to the states, when possible.
-A more special forces/intelligence role in the "War on Terror".
-We need to make things in America, again. We need to bring manufacturing back home. I'd like to see a push to bring our industrial cities back.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:34 pm to wfeliciana
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There are accomplishments at State contrary to what most say, but the main thing she did in my opinion is that she made the world respect us again.
Jesus God damned Christ
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:35 pm to gthog61
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Jesus God damned Christ
Call on someone that knows you brother.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:35 pm to Smalls
I didn't say she "orchestrated chaos leading to the death of a U.S.Ambassador " but she certainly was not honest about what happened.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:36 pm to Smalls
quote:Hear! Hear!
I'd like to see:
-The border get secured.
-Comprehensive immigration reform.
-A balanced budget.
-A reduction in the federal workforce.
-A reduction in corporate welfare.
-A reduction in the public welfare roles.
-More programs left to the states, when possible.
-A more special forces/intelligence role in the "War on Terror".
-We need to make things in America, again. We need to bring manufacturing back home. I'd like to see a push to bring our industrial cities back.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 11:37 pm to gthog61
quote:Get real. We are a fricking joke to the rest of the world.
thing she did in my opinion is that she made the world respect us again.
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