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re: Does Obama have any lasting contributions or successes whatsoever?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:30 pm to WheelRoute
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:30 pm to WheelRoute
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Your own party divided the country
Just no......the REAL division between the 2 parties start during Bush I....Obama made everything about race (which divided the country) and blamed whitey for everything. Do some research and see how many times he blamed the white Reps for them disagreeing with him.
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:30 pm to WheelRoute
How do liberals on here explain why 60%+ of the electorate in the 2016 election thought the economy was "not so good" or "poor"?
You guys always bring up that she won the popular vote, but you never bring up that the popular vote also saw the economy as a problem.
You guys always bring up that she won the popular vote, but you never bring up that the popular vote also saw the economy as a problem.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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How do liberals on here explain why 60%+ of the electorate in the 2016 election thought the economy was "not so good" or "poor"?
There could be a dozen different reasons for this. Wouldn't be able to say unless I saw the poll. A few, though:
a) Saying the economy is not so good and saying Obama deserves credit for an economic turnaround are not mutually exclusive. This somewhat describes my view, for instance.
b) Older voters who recall periods of explosive growth are using a different metric for success than younger people, especially those in the latter group who graduated during recession and its aftermath
c) The negative campaigning against Obama and Hillary was extremely potent. If you can amplify your message and maintain it's consistency, you can convince people of anything.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:42 pm to j bro12
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Bin Laden was dead years before "Obama got him."
I question if he's even dead...
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:44 pm to 225bred
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I question if he's even dead...
Of course you do.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:46 pm to Wtodd
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Just no......the REAL division between the 2 parties start during Bush I....Obama made everything about race (which divided the country) and blamed whitey for everything. Do some research and see how many times he blamed the white Reps for them disagreeing with him.
What did he blame white republicans for? And when did he make things about race, outside of a couple of speeches? I mean, did he make it about race when passing Dodd-Frank? When lobbying for the ACA? When trying to pass the stimulus? I'm confused.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:50 pm to WheelRoute
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Yes, if that happened I would blame him.
It won't b/c it's our debt isn't causing us any non self-imposed problems and won't at these levels. But if it did.
Thats an absurdist comment imo.
At what point is diverting money needed for necessary goods and services, in order to service interest payments on the debt, become destroying the economy? Or don't you believe there is such a point?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:51 pm to olddawg26
Chel$ea and UGAy fan?
Bless your heart...
Bless your heart...
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:51 pm to WheelRoute
As a reasonable person, I wold say his comments of the Trayvon files was completely out of line. I mean the president, who black people look up to a shite ton, says something before the verdict like "my son would have looked like that little boy". Thats out of line, and created way more tension for every black/police killing regardless of context. Most of those videos *start* when the tension has escalated. Context on both sides is irrelevant now. If a black person beats up a white person, the whites immediately scream hate crime and "if roles were reversed" stuff. But if a white cop kills a black person, then around here youll see "lets wait till all the evidence comes out" or "he was a good boy dindu".
After the Trayvon comments I think obama saw the issue of speaking his mind, and never commented on a racial trial again.
He also had BLM at the white house, which now, we realize how misguided and off basis they became. I think they were an okay group with a message and purpose in the very beginning until the violence started.
After the Trayvon comments I think obama saw the issue of speaking his mind, and never commented on a racial trial again.
He also had BLM at the white house, which now, we realize how misguided and off basis they became. I think they were an okay group with a message and purpose in the very beginning until the violence started.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:54 pm to WheelRoute
The economic cycle continued despite Obama, not because of him. The recovery act you cite was a monumental failure. Obama's policies retarded growth. I find it hilarious you think otherwise.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:54 pm to 225bred
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Chel$ea and UGAy fan?
Bless your heart...
Chelsea isn't even in the top 3 most valuable teams in their own league. And theres not shite wrong with georgia. Whats your point there?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:57 pm to olddawg26
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:59 pm to 225bred
Wtf does this have to do with anything?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:00 pm to asurob1
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Oh and he got Bin Laden
If 9/11 happened today Bin Laden would be worshipped as a hero by the left and MSM.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:02 pm to olddawg26
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As a reasonable person, I wold say his comments of the Trayvon files was completely out of line. I mean the president, who black people look up to a shite ton, says something before the verdict like "my son would have looked like that little boy". Thats out of line, and created way more tension for every black/police killing regardless of context. Most of those videos *start* when the tension has escalated. Context on both sides is irrelevant now. If a black person beats up a white person, the whites immediately scream hate crime and "if roles were reversed" stuff. But if a white cop kills a black person, then around here youll see "lets wait till all the evidence comes out" or "he was a good boy dindu".
After the Trayvon comments I think obama saw the issue of speaking his mind, and never commented on a racial trial again.
He also had BLM at the white house, which now, we realize how misguided and off basis they became. I think they were an okay group with a message and purpose in the very beginning until the violence started
This is fair criticism but the divisiveness in Obama's presidency started in the run up to the 2010 midterms. The Trayvon thing happened in 2013.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:05 pm to WheelRoute
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This is fair criticism but the divisiveness in Obama's presidency started in the run up to the 2010 midterms. The Trayvon thing happened in 2013.
I don't disagree with that. Racial tension has been around since the civil war, I think Obama gave the black people more of a "voice" and "hope" so to speak about their issues. As if there was a thorn of racism and black people decided to pull it out. Was always going to get worse before better, but needed to be pulled to start healing. I think it will get better.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:09 pm to olddawg26
quote:Are you retarded?
Wtf does this have to do with anything?
You asked what was wrong with UGAy, and I responded. This is how conversations work.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:11 pm to 225bred
sigh, I think in a thread that has nothing to do with sports, you brought up the teams I enjoy watching. Thats what Im asking about. Or did you just not have anything to add?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:15 pm to Dale51
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At what point is diverting money needed for necessary goods and services, in order to service interest payments on the debt, become destroying the economy? Or don't you believe there is such a point?
Our GDP is 18.5 trillion and our interest payments are 400bn. Seems reasonable. If we need additional money for "necessary" goods and services, we can always issue more debt at an extremely favorable rate. In fact, we SHOULD be doing this and using it to make massive investments in infrastructure.
Concerns about the debt are 99% of the time a political tool used by the out of power party to curb spending on the priorities of the majority.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:16 pm to WheelRoute
Obama started showing his hand with the black Harvard professor. It only got worse...
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