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re: Does anyone actually believe the UFO bs?

Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:18 pm to
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They are likely native /local to Earth. We may be them / their surface experiment (in their image).
yeah ok
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:24 pm to
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yeah ok



PDF warning:

https://thejournalofcosmology.com/Puthoff.pdf

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ULTRATERRESTRIAL MODELS
H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D.
Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin


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Abstract Journal of Cosmology, Vol. 29, No. 1, pp. 20001 - 20016 ULTRATERRESTRIAL MODELS H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D. Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin West Lake Hills, TX 78746

Under consideration in this paper are two seminal statements and their concomitants, currently unknown, as follows: 1. There is an unidentified phenomenon interacting with the current human population on Earth; 2. It is currently unknown whether the phenomenon is exclusively extraterrestrial, extradimensional, crypto-terrestrial, demonic/djinn, proto/ancient human, time-travelers, etc., or some combination or mutation of any or all of these. However, it appears highly likely that the phenomenon per se is not constituted exclusively of members of the current human population. In this paper we address the above under the overarching theme Ultraterrestrials in order to develop a template to be matched against data at hand and that may be procured in the future. Key words: extraterrestrials, ultraterrestrials, time-travelers, forensics, disclosure


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(3) The Stranded or Colonizing ETs/”gods” Hypothesis: Telltale signatures might include evidence in myth for high-tech interpretation of claimed devices beyond human capability of the era to manufacture (e.g., nuclear-powered, algae production “manna machine” in Biblical times); hard evidence for isolated mountain bases, detectable by satellite signatures of fastwalker or UCT (uncorrelated target) flight paths, or anomalous undersea activity or bases detectable by distributed underwater monitoring systems; covert, elite group exercising occult/religious influence in society; evidence for buried, high-tech artifacts or locales with unusual signal/radiation characteristics here or off planet; etc.


Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:25 pm to


My recent posts elsewhere:


Outside the box perspectives:

-We live in a construct /experiment of sorts controlled by others. If the subjects become aware of the experiment, the experiment is halted…

Leading to potentially:

-Surface life on earth is cyclically destroyed (somber). Sacred /revered text are mainly chronicling the reboot of surface life.

Intelligent life has evolved prior to current mankind. Most have perished. Some evolved advanced technology and sought refuge within the planet/oceans. They continue to cohabitate this planet with us, watching…

Said advanced predecessors have influenced surface life periodically (genetically and culturally). For what purpose and to what end, we do not know (in their image…).

Another cataclysm looms in the not so distant future (somber). They will be protected as they are survivors. We are vulnerable as it currently stands (very somber). We are being tested in some manner, but cannot fathom it as we as a culture are distracted and debased by stupid shite, silly shite…

Learn to swim




Native Americans lore states their ancestors came from within the ground

Many accounts of wise “gods” coming from the sea

Many religions began from visions within mountains/caves

We were nudged at different time points “in their image”

This also would account for why they care about nuclear technology and the Earth’s biosphere so much. They share this rock with us.

They remain underground/submerged/mobile because the cataclysms are cyclical…

Is this the somber aspect of Lue’s cryptic comments?


Stay safe and love each other
THIS is THE REASON why the public at large has not been told about “UFOs”
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:33 pm to
Prior posts:


This is the main focus in one of the first books TTSA put out:




Below is from a longer thread:

Here is what Delonge said in an interview in 2016:

Gets interesting/weird:
Warning: PDF below



https://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_Earthfiles_report_Tom_Delonge_May_2016.pdf

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UAPs and Alien “Gods” 2016
by Linda Moulton Howe

“We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us.” - Terence McKenna, Author, Food of the Gods

“I was told that there are numerous E. T. ‘gods’ fighting amongst themselves and they are interjecting themselves into human affairs. I am being told that a lot of this is being kept secret because we are trying not to initiate a conflict with ‘an adversary that we poorly understand.’” - Tom DeLonge, co-author, Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows © March 2016, collaborating with 10 U. S. military and intelligence advisers on E. T. facts


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May 28, 2016 Encinitas, California - The United States entered World War II in December 1941, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Our other enemy was Germany’s Adolph Hitler and his Nazi Schutzstaffel, also known as the “S.S.,” a paramilitary protection squad for Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, known as the Nazis. Hitler’s stated goal was to annihilate the Jewish population on Earth and take over the planet with an Aryan race of blond, blue-eyed beings referred to as Nordics.


It is further alleged that a sinister Alien Force was behind Hitler and the Nazis and continued insidious infiltrations after World War II when the United States authorized Project PAPERCLIP to bring hundreds of German rocket scientists into U. S. military and aerospace companies. Once an enemy, those German scientists were embraced inside America to create a United States nuclear weapons program and to get America to the moon in a program called Apollo.

Many insights about that historic schizophrenia have been released in the past six months in two books, allegedly with approval by military and intelligence operatives behind the scenes. One book is firsthand non-fiction; the other is fiction-based-on-fact. Both have the same theme: U. S. military intelligence during and after World War II became conscious of a powerful alien presence that emerged from Earth’s oceans and seas, from inside mountains and from the miles-deep ice of Antarctica.




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Tonight I’ll begin about all this with the recent fiction-based-on-fact book and follow in the second half-hour with an engineer insider’s non-fiction. Two months ago in March 2016, a large 675-page book entitled Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows was released. The co-authors are Tom DeLonge and A. J. Hartley. The word “Sekret” is spelled with a “k” instead of a “c” echoing the “k” added to the word magic long ago for serious communion with other dimensions. Then there is the U. S. government’s changing the “g” in magic to a “j” for TOP SECRET MAJIC classification on UFO and E. T. -related documents. And Russians and Germans insert “k”s in words like A-m-e-r-i-K-a and politiK.


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41-year-old Tom DeLonge was born and raised in San Diego, California, and became the guitarist and co-lead vocalist for the American rock band Blink-182 in the 1990s. Currently he is guitarist and lead vocalist of the rock band Angels & Airwaves. On the dust jacket of his Sekret Machines, Tom writes about UFO, E.T. and “alien gods” after collaboration with a group of ten advisers from military and intelligence agencies. On the book’s dust jacket Tom wrote: “This first novel in our trilogy sets up important events that had their genesis as far back as World War II and continue into the present day. ... I know it seems unbelievable, but it’s all, and always, a true story. That is what fiction is for: to tell the truth.”

One truth, say his advisers, is that the alien presence is an existential risk — meaning, life is not guaranteed for humans — and an extinction event could be triggered by unfriendly aliens to deliberately wipe out Homo sapiens sapiens. So, now is a crucial time for humanity to learn that we are not alone in this universe and that friendly and unfriendly Others have been interacting with this planet for millions of years — some even dominating humans as “alien gods” of Greece, India, the Yucatan, Peru, Mesopotamia, Atlantis and around the world for eons.


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YOUR ADVISORS USE THE TERM ‘THE OTHERS’? Yes. In my communications with certain people within my advisory group, it is referred to as The Others. The Others makes a lot of sense because the first thing that people need to realize about the UFO phenomenon is that it’s an Intelligence that’s here, has always been here. And I think calling them The Others makes a lot more sense because they are in our oceans, they are on our moon, they might be underground in certain places. So, you’re talking about the Other groups of intelligences that are here on the planet with us. AND YOU HAVE ATTRIBUTED ‘OTHERS’ TO GODS WITH A LITTLE G. CAN YOU PLEASE GO INTO THAT NOW? All the different areas of the world have different stories of gods. And I call that the little ‘g.’ These are beings that have god-like powers that are meddling in human affairs, but they are not what God is. The idea of whatever the Big G God that created the universe — whatever Force of Nature that might be — is different. I was told that there are numerous ‘gods’ fighting amongst themselves and they are interjecting themselves into human affairs — that those myths are true. All those ancient stories, those are real. You look at a lot of the studies that you have done, Linda, and what people have followed over the past 30 to 40 years — some people who have worked in these facilities have all talked about ancient hieroglyphics being on these craft. And they look like ancient Greek. I am told that they are ancient Greek, that there is a major connection to the hardware that we have and the ancient Greek Gods.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:33 pm to
Continued:

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THE GREEK GODS WERE NOT JUST MYTHOLOGIES ON PAGES OR STONE. THEY ARE FOR REAL NOW AND THEY WERE THEN AND IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT?

That is exactly what is being told to me.


Next post will address this Greek connection
Will post much later about Prometheus (the guise of “fiction” is the best way to present difficult truths)

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PROMETHEUS WAS WITH THE TITANS VERSUS ZEUS WHO WON THE WAR. BUT PROMETHEUS GAVE HUMANITY FIRE. WHAT IS THAT RELATIONSHIP? PROMETHEUS FAVORING HUMANITY’S SURVIVAL, NOT ANNIHILATION. THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH ENLIL AND ENKI IN THE ANNUNAKI. ENKI IS THE ONE WHO FOUGHT ENLIL OVER WHETHER TO ANNIHILATE HUMANITY. AND RIGHT NOW, WE’RE IN THE 21ST CENTURY BECAUSE PROMETHEUS AND ENKI PREVAILED.

Yeah. Around the time of the ancient Greek civilization, these ‘gods’ came in and they passed down a huge amount of knowledge. That’s when we got the alphabet and that’s when we really got the mathematics and everything that we know that comes with the ancient Greek civilization. I put down on a question — I said, ‘It looks to me like these ‘gods’ came down here and they tampered with the Sumerian civilization. And then they started fighting amongst themselves and then mankind started to fractionalize (split into factions). Well, something happened with those ‘gods’ fighting other ‘gods’ that we have all those ancient myths of Olympus and the Titans and all of that stuff. After that, it seems to me that the ‘gods’ stuck around and they started playing up the different religions between mankind. So we can now be so entertained fighting each other that this Intelligence can roam around the planet to do whatever else it’s trying to do — whether it’s trying to tamper with the DNA of mankind. Or it’s trying to figure out how to harness a human being’s soul. Whatever it might be after, I’m not totally sure. Everything in my early communications with my advisers were fine, but when I touched on the idea of hybrids and the human soul is when all the communication stopped on that thread. So, I have to look at that as something I shouldn’t have been going into at the time.


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Geopolitical Territorial “Triangulation” On Earth in 2016: Russia, U. S. and The Others

In my advisory group, they call it a triangulation stranglehold where there are three players: us, Russia, and The Others. And no one wants to move out of step to initiate a conflict where two of those three players have been given hardware. And that hardware has allowed us to come to a big line in the sand (nuclear weapons) to where we’ve almost annihilated all of mankind on Earth many times over.

So it’s been quoted that they call this the great stranglehold where us and Russia are always looking down the barrel of a gun, but the gun was given to us by The Others.
And all of this just perhaps to see who is stronger! And that’s the other thing that’s really scary about this thing. The Others — they are trying to fix something with/in their DNA — they are trying to tamper with the machinery of the universe, which is the human soul.
Maybe because They don’t have one, like the Bible says. Those Fallen Angels were jealous of mankind and They hated man. (laughs) I have no idea, but maybe they are trying to create wars to get us to kill each other and whoever is left standing must be a stronger race.




Reframe the more recent Russia, Russia, Russia
Who really controls the media (literally fake news...)

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WELL, TOM, DOESN’T THAT IMPLY THAT AT LEAST THE UNITED STATES AND THE ALLIES FROM WORLD WAR II HAVE HAD AN ALLY IN ONE OF THESE ALIEN PRESENCES?

Yes, I have been told there are good ‘gods’ and bad ‘gods.’ Period. I was invited a week and a half ago to fly out to a different state and sit with two people from various intelligence divisions. During the Bush Jr. administration, they were very aware of the UFO phenomenon and it was a major subject for their decision-making. I think if you are dealing with a subject like this where these non-human entities are creating wars and creating religions that hate each other and they are possibly abducting world leaders and influencing the way they make decisions, it completely changes everything if you knew what they are making their decisions based on.

WWII Was Extraterrestrial War Working Through Humans?

THAT FROM WORLD WAR II ON WHERE IT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED BY SOME WORKING IN THE ALPHABET SOUP TO ME OVER THE LAST 3.5 DECADES THAT WORLD WAR II WAS AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL WAR WORKING THROUGH HUMANS.

My advisory group said that there are various ‘gods’ competing with each other and competing through mankind with different religions. I do know that even as close as 36 months ago, UFOs were shutting down our nuclear weapons in the oceans.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?

I don’t feel comfortable giving anymore details than that, but what I do think is important here is that this hasn’t gone away. Do They not want nuclear weapons because if the nuclear weapons go off, it can kill them? Or do they not want nuclear weapons happening because it contaminates the DNA of mankind? And They are trying to farm us for whatever reason They are farming us for? I just know that it’s not only in the 1970s we hear these stories about UFOs turning off weapons when we’re doing tests. But what people also don’t know back in the 1970s and what was being described to me was that UFOs were turning on our weapons just to get the Russians to see that and launch theirs first to create a nuclear war. There are heroes in Russia. Under grave risk to himself and to his countrymen, he did not fire back. Maybe They don’t want nuclear war. Maybe They just want to scare everybody, but it doesn’t look like that when you look at the facts. Either way, a bunch of men and women in Washington, D. C. in these dark little offices have to figure out what all that means! And they are trying their hardest. And I don’t think they know every answer and I think they need all the support they can get.

They don’t think that everybody can handle all this. They think there is a large portion of the global audience that don’t have the skill sets to cope with that type of reality. But, I disagree. And the reason I disagree is the youth (Millennial Generation) have grown up with the internet. And they have grown up connected to a world that has changed so drastically with technology over the past 50 to 60 years, we can’t even possibly perceive what the next generation of youth will be capable of handling.


Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:34 pm to
Here is where it gets even freakier...

https://www.earthfiles.com/2018/08/09/part-7-mysterious-metal-from-bottom-of-wedge-shaped-ufo-update-1996-2018-research/

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AUGUST 9, 2018 BY LINDA MOULTON HOWE
Part 7: Mysterious Metal from Bottom of Wedge-Shaped UFO — Update 1996-2018 Research


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This Part 7 is new to my Earthfiles reports about my investigations of the Bismuth/MagnesiumZinc layered metals. The following interview transcript is from my recorded interview on February 2, 2017, with a whistleblower physicist, who requests anonymity. He contacted me to say he had been following my efforts to investigate the Bi/MgZn since 1996, and wanted me to know that he had worked with a large “skin” of the same layered metal underground at Area 51, Nevada, in the 1970s.

But the physicist said he worked on a slab of the layered metal that was 6 feet long and 3 feet wide! That, he said, was the outer skin that covered the entire wedge-shaped craft, not just the underside. The key he stressed was the inner skin of pure aluminum that has “mono-iridium atoms intelligently placed at the atomic and sub-atomic level of the inner skin.” It’s the combination of the two parallel skins that disconnects the craft from Earth’s gravity, inertia and atmosphere.


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“The magnesium-zinc alloy is an electrogravitic rectifier. You energize it in order to cause it to rectify gravitational field energy — unidirectional force, one direction, based upon how you have the material oriented. And when the Bi/MgZn material is being energized, along with the other structure of the craft — the structure of the craft really negates gravitational energy from penetrating. In other words, it becomes weightless. So, from that is no inertia, it’s essentially weightless. It takes very little energy to push it around. So when it’s in that state, that’s when you can push it around with electrogravitic material. So you strengthen it in the direction that you want to activate the electrogravitic material. Otherwise, it balances out all the way around and you are neutrally buoyant. You are just floating there. But when you strengthen the field in any given direction, you change the amount of electrogravitic force in that particular direction


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Now, the material has to be literally bombarded with non-Hertzian energy from terahertz frequencies. It cannot be electromagnetic. It has to be pulses, very fast pulses, very fast transition times. Modern electronics cannot achieve this. Generators have to be designed specifically for this application. If someone tries to use an off-the-shelf component to build a terahertz generator, I don’t think he is going to be able to do it. But I built one.

Linda: DID YOU BUILD YOURS TO GENERATE THE NON-HERTZIAN FREQUENCIES?

Yes. And I used technology that was discovered by Nicolai Tesla. He called it non-Hertzian energy.


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SO HOW DID TESLA DO THAT?

Tesla did it electromechanically. He literally used contacts. Commutators. Spark gaps. That’s the entire key to being able to do wireless transmission of power. It’s not done with electromagnetics. It’s not done through magnetic induction. Even his coils and transformers were not formed to use the magnetic field. He matched mass, primary and secondary mass, in order to get coupling. If the layered metal is subjected to magnetic fields, it will make the monatomic iridium leave and then the layered metal won’t work. Magnetic fields will ruin the layered metal material. So all the experimentation to this date from 1996 that you have reported about would make the monatomic iridium leave, so none of the tests tried so far would work. Also, in the Army guy’s first letter dated April 10, 1996 (Part 1), it says: ‘The Dimensional Powerplant was self-destructed, and the inter-atmospheric propulsion system also deactivated to prevent the technology from falling into the hands of the Terrans (humans).’


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SO IS IT THE BISMUTH/MAGNESIUM-ZINC LAYERED SKIN THAT IS EMITTING THE TERAHERTZ FREQUENCY THAT CAN DAMAGE HUMAN TISSUES AND MANIPULATE HUMAN MINDS?

It’s actually the drive energy that is going through the material, penetrating and radiating out from the craft.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT IN MORE DETAIL?
No, I can’t.

BECAUSE?
We’re delving into highly classified areas here.


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CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SAW AND IF THERE WERE ANY SYMBOLS OR HIEROGLYPHS?

Yes, there were, but they are not visible until you remove the inspection covers. I can’t get into that, because that particular aspect of what I worked on was never declassified.

I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE GIVEN TO ME BY SANTILLI IN LONDON WITH PERMISSION THAT SHOW SYMBOLS ON BEAMS AND WHEN I DID A SEARCH OF MY OWN GOING TO ALL THE ANCIENT LANGUAGES OF EARTH, THEY MATCHED ANCIENT GREEK.

I wouldn’t doubt that.




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alleged 1947 U. S. Army film of UFO crash debris near Socorro, NM, contained this I-beam with symbols that resemble ancient Greek letters


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DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS ABOUT THE MATCH OF ANCIENT GREEK TO THE SYMBOLS INSIDE OF THESE CRAFT IN WHICH THE SKIN IS THE BISMUTH MAGNESIUM-ZINC LAYERED METAL?

I can’t do that. I can’t give that information out publicly.

BUT YOU DO HAVE KNOWLEDGE? Yes. AND IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THE GREEKS WERE PROBABLY ANOTHER INTELLIGENCE BASED ON THIS PLANET AND NOT EVOLUTIONARY HOMO SAPIENS?

I can’t say that (laughs), I’m sorry, I can’t delve into that.

WELL, I’VE BEEN TOLD IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT IS IN FACT THE TRUTH.

I can say this much – there have been more advanced civilizations on this planet prior to us that were far more advanced than we are today.”


Delonge talked about this on Rogan podcast (he state that symbols above mean “freedom”)
gods of old...

Interesting times...




To your original question, guess what was one of the first tongues of the early church: Greek...

Posted by alphaandomega
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:27 pm to
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How do you know?


Well there are trillions of stars in the universe. Most of these stars will have planets. At some point statistically speaking there will be life elsewhere.
Posted by auwaterfowler
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 3:30 pm to
“Learn to swim”

Was this a Tool reference? If so, very nice.
Posted by LookSquirrel
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:02 pm to
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I've seen some bizarre things in the sky in Alaska.


Look anything like these?

While questions persist about what was shot down near Dead Horse, Alaska, strange things are happening in the skies over Los Angeles.
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:14 pm to
Hey, hey, hey!!!!!! I'm with you on the aliens, but Bigfoot, c'mon that baw does exist.
Posted by goldenturbo
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by FredBear
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 4:57 pm to
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Well there are trillions of stars in the universe. Most of these stars will have planets. At some point statistically speaking there will be life elsewhere.



Yeah, I remember reading somewhere once that if only one in every billion stars had some form of life on the planet(s) orbiting them there would still be over a billion of them with life.

I know that doesn't really prove anything but it does make the probability pretty high
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:00 pm to
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How do you know?

I’m not sure there’s intelligent life among the voters who religiously vote Democrat.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 5:04 pm
Posted by Bulldogblitz
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:03 pm to
If you don't believe the white house, you're a hateful bigot and need to be put out.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:10 pm to
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Look anything like these?


What I saw looked like an extremely fast airplane with a small, short exhaust plume flying at incredible speeds, and it was intercepted and disintegrated in the air West of Wasilla.

It was flying higher than most commercial aircraft. Looked like the Space Shuttle re-entry disaster after impact.
Posted by TurkeyBaconLeg
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:06 pm to
Interesting stuff
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:56 pm to
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I know that doesn't really prove anything but it does make the probability pretty high



It doesn't mean anything at all unless you know the probability of random abiogenesis.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:13 pm to
Posted by MAADFACTS
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 8:16 am to
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How do you know?


The chemical processes that comprise life on earth are pretty well understood and could happen elsewhere, and that’s the process we know. There could be processes we don’t know that make life even more probable. Simple life could be fecund. Given that the Universe appears to be at least 250,000 times what is observable and could be infinitely large, it’s reasonable to assume that intelligent life exists elsewhere out there. Can it get here? That’s much more unlikely.

I think the safe bet is that alien life exists, and UFOs/UAPs definitely exist (in that we see things in the sky and don’t know what they are) but have nothing to do with each other
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:38 am to
Some Navy pilots do. Until they are proven to be liars I will believe them.
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