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re: Does Amazon force people to work for them?
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:47 pm to ChuckO1975
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:47 pm to ChuckO1975
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How is this related to the concept of a serious country?
OK... so what countries do you consider, serious?
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Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
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OK... so what countries do you consider, serious?
Certainly none of the liberalized countries of the West.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:55 pm to ChuckO1975
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Certainly none of the liberalized countries of the West.
Way to avoid the question.
You said no serious country does this. So, what serious countries are you talking about?
Posted on 3/18/21 at 12:55 pm to tjv305
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It’s a free market
Lolwut?
Were you asleep in 2020 while Amazon was raking in cash while hometown America was decimated?
I mean, I could sit here and breakdown every nuance of how restricted and lopsided these markets really are, but the onus is on you to explain how reality in any way matches the abstraction that is free market theory.
Of course you cannot do that. You merely assert that it is indeed free, which justifies the actions of megacorp USA by default.
This is a sick, sick, sick, worldview that's been pounded into the heads of desperate conservatives by oligarchs who don't want anyone asking any serious questions about how things really work.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:14 pm to ChuckO1975
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mean, I could sit here and breakdown every nuance of how restricted and lopsided these markets really are, but the onus is on you to explain how reality in any way matches the abstraction that is free market theory.
Wouldn’t be your responsibility to proof something is happening vs not happening? That’s how these things generally work.
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Were you asleep in 2020 while Amazon was raking in cash while hometown America was decimated?
Yep those idiot blue state governors really did a number on the economy by needlessly closing down. Hopefully voters remember this and remove governors, mayors, city council folks that actively and needlessly tried to destroy their cities.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:17 pm to Smokeyone
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Wouldn’t be your responsibility to proof something is happening vs not happening? That’s how these things generally work.
No. You claim this condition exists. Not me. Prove it.
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Yep those idiot blue state governors really did a number on the economy by needlessly closing down.
Plenty of red States were idiots too, but I agree with you. The problem is that Wally World and Amazon didn't get closed down in any state.
This post was edited on 3/18/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:17 pm to Bham Bammer
Not yet.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:26 pm to ChuckO1975
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This is a sick, sick, sick, worldview that's been pounded into the heads of desperate conservatives by oligarchs who don't want anyone asking any serious questions about how things really work.
Cheers for fighting the good fight but these GOPe Republicans can't be dissuaded. They've swallowed the COC Globalist bait hook line and sinker for their entire lives. Admitting that they were wrong about the consequences of these policies would be too great a strain on their ego.
"Conservatives" on this board.
Amazon is evil!
->Shut up and keep working for them.
Firing Conservatives for their political views is evil!
->Employee rights are anti-business.
Luckily, the outsized presence of these people on political message boards doesn't represent their prevalence in real life and, as seen with Trump, populism is hitting conservative voters in a big way, against all wishes of the COC Dicksuckers in Congress and their sycophants in this thread.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:33 pm to Muthsera
You make a great point. I'll never give up on them though. Conservatives truly mean well and I consider them my folks, unlike progressives and liberals who are subservient to their hatred for others.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:46 pm to jclem11
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Not quite; For every one person that succeeds and "pulls themselves up by their bootstraps" there are many more that do not.
Many folks actively choose failure. Drugs, out of wedlock children, bad partner choices, credit card or student loan debt (for unusable degrees) crime, etc.. Some folks just want to self destruct. You help the ones that want help and try to limit the damage others can do.
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There are structural barriers in our society and a lot is determined by the zip code and/or family you are born into. It's easy to scream at poor people to "work harder" when they are put behind the 8 ball from day one.
I am from a poor white trash family. My dad had 2 brothers and a sister. The sister was the youngest and married a doctor, the youngest brother was in and out of jail until he died at 50. The next brother will die in jail, he was the smartest of the group but chose poorly and will die in a federal prison. My dad was oldest and used the military (Marines for Vietnam and later the Army) for 29 years to avoid the worst of the bad choices. And for 20 years of my life I called a very poor, very rural, very black town homebase. I saw those that really wanted better do better and those content with their station stay at the bottom.
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It many people are being fricked and left behind, there is a problem with the system.
You can’t force people to make good decisions. The system is fine and infact the best known to man, don’t believe it? Try living anywhere else. I have. Not as a tourist but actually live and work in another country. See what a caste system is and does, or what actual discrimination looks like, and real poverty. Don’t take my or anyone’s word for it. Go really experience it.
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Okay? Why does that excuse the warehouse conditions at Amazon? Again, I cannot for the life of me understand why the $40K millionaire Andys in this thread are simping so damn hard for billionaire megacorps.
Have you ever actually seen a working Amazon facility? If not (and be honest you haven’t) Amazon tours it’s a warehouse with folks doing warehouse work... nicer than most, better run than most. They have production quotas like all similar facilities.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:56 pm to Smokeyone
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Wouldn’t be your responsibility to proof something is happening vs not happening? That’s how these things generally work.
He won't tell us what "serious countries" he is talking about, so I guess that's just how he does things.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:56 pm to ChuckO1975
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Plenty of red States were idiots too, but I agree with you. The problem is that Wally World and Amazon didn't get closed down in any state.
But was that the problem? The fact anything was shutdown beyond the initial information gathering phase was the problem. Once we were able to verify that the virus was not as deadly as expected, was treatable for most folks with common treatments, wasn’t dangerous to those under 65 without preexisting conditions, wasn’t dangerous to school age children, we should opened everything up with campaigns to encourage folks to wash their hands, stay home if you are sick and get back to normal.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 1:59 pm to LSUFanHouston
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mean, I could sit here and breakdown every nuance of how restricted and lopsided these markets really are, but the onus is on you to explain how reality in any way matches the abstraction that is free market theory.
This statement implies you can break down an affirmative situation. Thus the onus of proof is yours.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 2:00 pm to Smokeyone
I mostly agree with you. I mostly agree with Conservatives on almost everything. Where my point lies, though, is that Amazon and Wally World were universally allowed to become enormously enriched by the shutdowns, while smaller operators were boned. Nobody ever dreamed of cutting into Amazon's operation. Not once. In fact, most States and the Feds viewed them as critical infrastructure (which they are, to be honest).
Posted on 3/18/21 at 2:01 pm to ChuckO1975
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What in the hell does the "free market" have to do with Amazon?
"I'm defending an abstraction by simping for a multi billionaire who hates my guts!"
Conservatism is forever off-target and on their heels. It's incredible.
Your entire premise is stupid.
Both sides in this dispute suck. Pointing out the one that sucks worse does not equal defending the other one.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 2:02 pm to Smokeyone
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This statement implies you can break down an affirmative situation.
No, I don't agree. My statement clearly indicates that it's not me who has a burden of proving a negative. I don't want to get hung up on it though, because in practice, we are already discussing how Amazon has an imbalance of power in the market via state mandate.
This post was edited on 3/18/21 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/18/21 at 2:09 pm to ChuckO1975
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Where my point lies, though, is that Amazon and Wally World were universally allowed to become enormously enriched by the shutdowns, while smaller operators were boned. Nobody ever dreamed of cutting into Amazon's operation. Not once.
The solution would have been to just not restrict any capacity.
The problem /issue is that they based so much on capacity, and big box stores have more capacity than mom and pops. They also have more employee leverage. Big box stores can do more, serve more customers, with fewer pro rata employees, than small stores.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 2:14 pm to ChuckO1975
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mean, I could sit here and breakdown every nuance of how restricted and lopsided these markets really are
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No, I don't agree. My statement clearly indicates that it's not me who has a burden of proving a negative.
If the restrictions and lopsided situation exist it would not be proving a negative exists, it would be proving the situation exists.
For example, if I tell you not to go on a road because it has potholes or is in poor condition, I am stating a condition exists, and can reasonably affirm this by explaining or showing you the conditions on the road. I am simply asking you to affirm the condition of the road.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 2:20 pm to jclem11
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There are structural barriers in our society and a lot is determined by the zip code and/or family you are born into.
Link?
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It's easy to scream at poor people to "work harder" when they are put behind the 8 ball from day one.
Posted on 3/18/21 at 2:43 pm to Bham Bammer
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If your computer isn’t scanning, you get charged with being time off task. From the onset, I learned if I worked too slow, or had too much time off task, I could be disciplined or even fired.”
I think it is completely irresponsible to require employees to do the tasks that they are paid to do. Just exactly when are they supposed to update their facebook and instagram? Everyone knows that when they send out a snapchat that drastically improves productivity.
Bezos is a slave owner!!!
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