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Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:05 pm to Vegas Bengal
I really don't care BYCH. 
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:06 pm to mouton
quote:
Obviously you can get information from someone that has information but what about those who don't have useful Intel and lie just to make it stop? How Does the good vs bad Intel obtained balance out? Also, you have to think those with viable Intel are trained to give false but believable information when in custody.
It doesn't take a genius to know that it does not. First of all the odds of a person knowing anything of importance after a few days is nil. Second of all all information that you gather has to be checked out...this means that old info and bad info take as much time and resources as good info.
This is not the issue though. It doesn't matter if it does or it doesn't. What does matter is that we can't tell the rest of the world not to do these things when we do them ourselves.
I think anyone who has ever been around the military any length of time knows that torture is used pretty regularly. Why do we deny it? It obviously doesn't keep our enemies from practicing torture and it makes us dishonest....I would much prefer it if the CIA said "yes, we use torture when it seems like the best practice. We will stop at nothing if we think it will hasten our ends". I doubt seriously if there is anything someone in the CIA wouldnt do to get information, so why lie about it? Adults can handle the truth...what is unsettling is lying and covering up.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:08 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
You are correct. I don't know. I have only passed on information that was from CIA people in the know. What exactly makes you an expert? I'm honestly interested given your passion.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:10 pm to DelU249
I actually agree with Fox. If they know something perhaps you can get information. If not, you will get whatever you want to hear to stop the pain. Well that is my common man thought approach.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
ll never understand why some people lose sleep over the thought of terrorists being water-boarded.
I'm skeptical as to the effectiveness of such tactics as interrogation tools, but I really couldn't care less if they are subjected to some brief discomfort.
I have no problem with it either I just wonder if it is effective or not. Not sure why this keyboard warrior is so worked up. I just chalk it up to him being an Internet bad arse who would get beat down in real life and knows it.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:12 pm to germandawg
Terrorists don't have Geneva rights.
I don't give a shyt about comparing the rest of the worlds moral compass to ours.
When we are attacked by terrorist it is moral to do all we can to save American lives, and people who don't agree with this should move to Cuba or China.
Screw a terrorists rights, he has none as far as I am concerned and he is not considered an Enemy Combatant.
I don't give a shyt about comparing the rest of the worlds moral compass to ours.
When we are attacked by terrorist it is moral to do all we can to save American lives, and people who don't agree with this should move to Cuba or China.
Screw a terrorists rights, he has none as far as I am concerned and he is not considered an Enemy Combatant.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:15 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
The problem is do you trust the government not to do it to you
The U.S. government wiped their arse with my 4th amendment rights overseas, so where is the line?
I don't trust them to kill people
I do trust individuals to make the right decision. If you KNOW someone knows something, break the rules and do what you need to do. However, state sanctioned? No thanks
The U.S. government wiped their arse with my 4th amendment rights overseas, so where is the line?
I don't trust them to kill people
I do trust individuals to make the right decision. If you KNOW someone knows something, break the rules and do what you need to do. However, state sanctioned? No thanks
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:16 pm to mouton
Yes it's effective.
The dems are doing this for purely political reasons. They are willing to obfuscate about its effectiveness and publically sully America while engaging in behavior they know will incite attacks against our people, all for political gain. It's sickening.
The dems are doing this for purely political reasons. They are willing to obfuscate about its effectiveness and publically sully America while engaging in behavior they know will incite attacks against our people, all for political gain. It's sickening.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:21 pm to mouton
quote:Is it effective when a stranger you encounter asks you for your Debt Card and PIN?
I have no problem with it either I just wonder if it is effective or not.
What if he asked you more sternly? Would that work better?
How about if he pulls a gun?
How about he shoots you in the knee cap, then tells you the next one will target your wife's knee if the PIN does not work?
Each progressive step becomes more likely to generate "effective" information. It is human nature.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:22 pm to Jake88
What proof does anyone have that it works? If it works, show us proof. I heard from an "expert" on the radio today that it does not work.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to learn. Show me.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to learn. Show me.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:23 pm to NC_Tigah
What if the guy doesn't know anything? How do you differentiate him from someone who simply won't tell you?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:23 pm to mouton
It doesn't matter if it is effective, the fact that we used torture is deplorable.
I believe we, as a country, let fear cloud our morals after 9/11. It is really unfortunate.
I believe we, as a country, let fear cloud our morals after 9/11. It is really unfortunate.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:25 pm to mouton
Every CIA Director since 9/11 has come forward to say we obtained good Intel from enhanced interrogation.
I'm sorry that the little count Senate staffers that wrote this report don't agree. They can get fricked by a bear as far as I am concerned. Every Democrat can, for that matter. I'm sick of fricking Democrats.
I'm sorry that the little count Senate staffers that wrote this report don't agree. They can get fricked by a bear as far as I am concerned. Every Democrat can, for that matter. I'm sick of fricking Democrats.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:26 pm to mouton
If I were given examples* of it being effective** I might be convinced. Until then, I'm unconvinced.
*Concrete and specific. Not someone with every motivation to lie (CIA flacks) saying "it works in general, trust me" or "the details are classified, but trust me."
**Providing some vital info that the prisoner did not provide under rapport interrogation. Not third confirmation of stuff known from non-tortured sources.
*Concrete and specific. Not someone with every motivation to lie (CIA flacks) saying "it works in general, trust me" or "the details are classified, but trust me."
**Providing some vital info that the prisoner did not provide under rapport interrogation. Not third confirmation of stuff known from non-tortured sources.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:27 pm to GetCocky11
quote:THAT is the issue.
It doesn't matter if it is effective, the fact that we used torture is deplorable.
I believe we, as a country, let fear cloud our morals after 9/11.
Chopping off a shoplifters hand in public is undoubtedly a deterrent.
It's also highly uncivilized.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:29 pm to Scoop
quote:
Every CIA Director since 9/11 has come forward to say we obtained good Intel from enhanced interrogation.
Of course they're going to say that. Would you expect them to say anything differently?
For as much skepticism this board casts on government, it is funny to see so many people blindly believe the CIA when they try to justify torture.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:29 pm to lsusaintsfan4life
Intelligence experts and CIA heads have come pit and said it, including those appointed by Obama. The Osama messengers' name came from the interrogations.The dems will say his name was already in a file but so we're hundreds of others. Interrogation pin pointed who it was.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:30 pm to Scoop
quote:And if you can't trust the director of the CIA, really, who can you trust? They're always so forthcoming about their mistakes, of which there are so few.
Every CIA Director since 9/11 has come forward to say we obtained good Intel from enhanced interrogation.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 7:32 pm to GetCocky11
What about it was torture? What are you ok with?
Do you really believe the expert cited in the op can just make friends with the terrorist and get the info?
Do you really believe the expert cited in the op can just make friends with the terrorist and get the info?
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