re: Do you believe President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election?

As someone who hates Trump but is glad he won, I can tell you now this Russians BS is just the left projecting. I guarantee you Hillary and Co are hiding something and have their usual media assistance.

Ever since Obama's hot mic incident four years ago I have no doubt his administration did some shady shite with Putin too.

Yes. And from day 1 I thought Nixon was behind the Watergate break-in. It took more than two years for that to play out and none of the witnesses were murdered.

In this case a number of Russians have already been "disappeared" to aid in the cover-up on that side of things.

It may be entirely impossible to prove the campaign collaborated with the Russians.

I also still believe OJ Simpson killed Nicole. Doesn't do any good.

Those beliefs plus $2.75 will get me a ride on the subway.

quote:

---

I'm talking about your extraordinary claim

---

And I am saying I didn't claim it happened.

I believe it happened.

You don't have any evidence of your sea creatures, but you believe they exist.

quote:

---

Do you believe President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election?

---

There more "evidence" Obama was born in Kenya than evidence that anyone tampered with election results.

It anyone thought he burthers were nutso... "muh Russians" has eclipsed by 100-fold and on a much wider scale.

Interesting study in porpaganda/mass hysteria.

quote:

---

In other words, you have no evidence but have chosen to believe President Trump colluded with the Russians anyway hoping some evidence will be found in the future.

You can live your life believing a fantasy is a reality but I prefer to live knowing the truth.

---

Let's put that another way. There is zero evidence, aside from denials, that he is not guilty.

I bet you still think OJ killed Nicole, even though he was found not guilty in court.

Lots of smoke so far, but, I must admit, no blazing fire yet. For an innocent man, doesn't Trump seem way too nervous about the investigations into his dealings with Russia. What the heck was that with the three separate times thing in his Comey firing letter?
The smoke:

1. Russia attacked American democracy in the 2016 election. That is beyond dispute.

2. Trump got a number of juicy deals from Russian oligarchs. e.g. Dmitry Rybolovlev buying Trump owned Palm Beach mansion for $95 million when it was worth far less. and Deep ties

3. Connections to Russia among top Trump people. Wilbur Ross, Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Rex Tillerson, Felix Sater, Michael Cohen, Carter Page, Roger Stone, among others. Connections

We'll see how this plays out. In my opinion, Nixon, OJ and Trump are guilty. If definitive evidence of Trump's innocence comes out, I'll change my opinion on him.

quote:

---

There more "evidence" Obama was born in Kenya than evidence that anyone tampered with election results.

---

That is simply untrue. Come on. You can do better.

quote:

---

There more "evidence" Obama was born in Kenya than evidence that anyone tampered with election results.

---

quote:

---

That is simply untrue. Come on. You can do better.

---

Obama's college bio says he was born in Kenya.

You have presented absolutely no evidence to prove anyone tampered with election results or that President Trump colluded with the Russians.

quote:

---

Do you believe President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election?

---

I realize I'm late to the thread...

I'm not what you'd call an avid Trump supporter or anything, but I did vote for him and do support him for the most part. I'm also not hugely into politics like some I've seen on here, but I'm also not ignorant to it like some and willing to blindly follow like some others (I could tell you about the most current events and the names/positions of most in the WH, but couldn't even begin to pretend like I know what senators are from where, or name many of those in the Supreme Court for instance).

As a somewhat casual and unbiased observer, I just can't understand why the Dems have grabbed ahold of this collusion theory and refuse to let go. I've tried putting myself in Trump's shoes or anybody on his team's shoes to imagine how it would even begin. Who would legitimately have the idea to approach "the Russians" about fixing the US election and think it's a good idea? Better yet, how'd they run that idea by the others on their team, or possibly the entire team, and EVERYONE think it's a good idea? Wouldn't they realize that something as trivial as Trump's 140 character tweets are picked apart and diagnosed letter by letter, let alone communications with an enemy government?

You may think the man is crazy, unfit, narcissistic, a mess, etc., but you'd have to have kindergarten-level intelligence to think you could accomplish something as massive as this without being caught. The media was all over Trump's every move (taco bowls anyone?), so who in their right mind would even halfway approve this idea? That's not even considering the fact that it would be massively illegal and could lead to Fed prison time for those involved, and Trump by all means had a pretty decent life at stake with or without the presidency.

Once they supposedly approved this idiotic idea, how'd they go about enacting the plan? "Just call Russia and ask for Putin, someone will put you through to him eventually! Then when he answers, say something like 'hey Vlad, I know our countries aren't exactly about working together and all, and I'm just a presidential candidate at this point, but i need a huge favor that could potentially create a massive shitstorm for us and our countries... You know the democrats here in the States are my opposition, particularly Hillary... well, they have this server that MAY or MAY NOT have anything of consequence to the party and election on it, and they're not exactly known for their cyber security... I need your people to risk the aforementioned shitstorm, media frenzy, international scrutiny, sanctions, and prison to hack the server in question that may or may not contain anything detrimental..."

Once you start thinking about it on the level of the real-life people that actually had to enact this "plan," the whole notion seems pretty ludicrous, even if it was the other way around and the Russian side saw an opportunity and made the first move. Even in that instance it would be an insane move - what if Trump said no and lost the election, only to spill their secret talks later on with nothing on the line? Even worse, what if Trump said no and WON the election? There's so much at stake for Russia's side as well.

I think the dems are only going to further damage their image if they keep trying to hammer this home, with no results. I'm afraid to meet the person on this earth that thinks sitting next to a Russian at lunch, or a hotel magnate meeting Russian business partners in 1993 counts as legitimate evidence; and there are plenty out there.

quote:

---

I "know" sea serpents exist.

---

Where's the indisputable proof of your extraordinary claim?

I knew you entire post would be bullshite