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re: Do the math. It is almost impossible for an American to die of COVID-19.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:14 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:14 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Nobody is downplaying, the exact opposite.
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:15 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:What?
Yeah all the data from around the world doesn't show that, matter of fact the data coming in... shows the data from February is basically spot on.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:41 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:i stated a fact
The fact that you keep quoting this shows just how little you know.
quote:the models did change. that's a fact. you even acknowledged it despite your current crawfishing. anyway, it doesn't even matter because the "shaded area indicates uncertainty" and the shaded area was laughably huge
My argument was that people, like Britt Humes and Candance Owens, citing information from TWO DIFFERENT MODELS and arguing that they “changed” is incredibly false.
quote:i stated a fact that basically everyone is aware of, including yourself
And that many here, including you, didn’t even take the time to look at the information yourself to discover that it’s blatantly false. You just parroted a lie because it was convenient and you are lazy.
quote:you were presented with video evidence in the other thread. i'm sorry you don't like that they said it
Another lie
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:48 pm to Korkstand
quote:fine. prove that non corona deaths are NOT being included in the mortality numbers. prove that when a patient dies of any cause with corona present they aren't lumping that in with corona deaths.
Not true
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:52 pm to Korkstand
quote:it's interesting that certain karens don't know this is an oversimplification
It is absolutely no surprise at all that most of the hot zones have peaked 1 month after shutting everything down
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:54 pm to Korkstand
quote:not the virus - the RESPONSE. which is absolutely legitimate.
nearly all the "this ain't shite" deniers are comparing this to the flu
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:00 pm to bfniii
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fine. prove that non corona deaths are NOT being included in the mortality numbers.
Surely you are aware that it's not possible to prove a negative, right? Your appeal to ignorance is a logical fallacy. You are assuming that your claim is true because it has not been, and without omniscience cannot be, proven false. Conspiracy theorists tend to lean on this fallacy.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:03 pm to bfniii
quote:The RESPONSE is a totally different question and argument than the impact of the virus itself. Personally, I do NOT think the risk warrants the response. I just wish more people understood that twisting the facts does not in any way help the argument that the response was extreme.
not the virus - the RESPONSE. which is absolutely legitimate.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:05 pm to Korkstand
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We are doing the math, and the math says that the "almost impossible" happens over 2000 times per day.
There’s a lot of fat fricks in America
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:06 pm to Korkstand
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Surely you are aware that it's not possible to prove a negative, right? Your appeal to ignorance is a logical fallacy. You are assuming that your claim is true because it has not been, and without omniscience cannot be, proven false. Conspiracy theorists tend to lean on this fallacy.
He is not going to understand 75% of this post
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:16 pm to Korkstand
quote:there is no "severity." there never was
downplaying or denying the severity of it
quote:given your misunderstanding, that's why you say something wrong like this
it is NOT the way to argue against the shutdown
quote:nice to hear a reasonable, sensible response. but it goes further than that with this situation. the concern that was sold was overwhelming the healthcare system specifically for infected patients who need icu/ventilators - a very targeted need, and even somewhat understandable. however, by shutting down the economy, we damaged the support pipeline for the entire healthcare system for all needs. hospitals have been laying off employees left and right. since elective procedures were cancelled, some clinics had to close permanently. it was overkill from the beginning.
We know we could save 40k lives every year by banning personal vehicles. But we don't because it would be too costly, both in dollars and freedom
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:25 pm to Korkstand
quote:ah, the age old cry of people who can't prove their point. they always run to this unfounded, invented rule of rhetoric. moss has been going on and on about the "guidelines" for reporting. seems like you should easily be able to conjure this up. i know that moss is having cognitive dissonance over this but, it has been widely discussed that there are deaths that have been reported that weren't directly corona deaths. if babylon bee has a satire article on the subject, then pretty much everyone knows it's happening. i get that you and moss don't like to hear this but, it's true
Surely you are aware that it's not possible to prove a negative, right?
quote:ok armchair rhetorician. i made no such appeal and i'm aware of every rhetorical fallacy in the book.
Your appeal to ignorance is a logical fallacy
quote:um, no. i'm making no assumption at all and the issue is not a secret and really not even controversial. your take on this issue is way off base
You are assuming that your claim is true because it has not been, and without omniscience cannot be, proven false
quote:thinking that this is not happening is a conspiracy theory
Conspiracy theorists tend to lean on this fallacy
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:28 pm to bfniii
quote:Burying your head in the sand won't make it go away.
there is no "severity." there never was
quote:No misunderstanding here.
given your misunderstanding
quote:A very possible, and in my opinion extremely likely, possibility.
the concern that was sold was overwhelming the healthcare system specifically for infected patients who need icu/ventilators - a very targeted need, and even somewhat understandable. however, by shutting down the economy, we damaged the support pipeline for the entire healthcare system for all needs. hospitals have been laying off employees left and right. since elective procedures were cancelled, some clinics had to close permanently. it was overkill from the beginning.
All I am saying is that understating the impact is just as bad as overstating it if the goal is a reasoned and rational discussion about what we should do about it, if anything.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:31 pm to Korkstand
quote:which i have not done at any point. i'll ask the same question i've been asking for years in these forums that i never get an answer to - what did i say that's false? i asked you to prove your point and you backpedaled with a manufactured rule of discussion
twisting the facts
quote:and even that's not the issue. the issue is how closely some people are tethering them together. that has been the issue from beginning. everyone was socially pressured to believe the "experts" with their insane models that every reasonable person knew were overstating the matter. but if you dared to so much as wince, you were demonized as "antiscience" and bigoted. even at this point, moss is still fighting a losing cause despite being proven wrong multiple times in multiple threads by multiple people. moss is the new 90proofprofessional and his gdp nonsense
The RESPONSE is a totally different question and argument than the impact of the virus itself
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:33 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:you're right. because it's a bunch of unscholarly gobbledygook. neither are you going to understand your ship was sunk already but you're still going down with it.
He is not going to understand 75% of this post
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:36 pm to bfniii
quote:Look in the mirror, bub.
ah, the age old cry of people who can't prove their point.
quote:
they always run to this unfounded, invented rule of rhetoric.
The burden of proof, in any context, is on the accuser. Otherwise, we can make literally any claim and call it valid.
quote:You very plainly just asked me to prove a negative.
ok armchair rhetorician. i made no such appeal and i'm aware of every rhetorical fallacy in the book.
quote:My take on this issue is that health care workers and health departments all over the country and the world are reporting deaths attributed to covid as accurately as possible. Your claim hinges on the assumption that a large percentage of the people compiling this data are simply dishonest and part of a global conspiracy. The burden of proof lies squarely on your shoulders.
um, no. i'm making no assumption at all and the issue is not a secret and really not even controversial. your take on this issue is way off base
quote:
thinking that this is not happening is a conspiracy theory
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:39 pm to Korkstand
quote:you do realize that even nyc hospitals never got "overwhelmed" right? the worst hotspot in the country. seattle dismantled the field hospital without seeing even one patient. there never was anything to bury your head in the sand about. it's been reported that 25% of counties in the country don't even have 1 single case. there is no reason to use the word "severity." freaking jacksonville beaches are open starting today and that state is full of senior citizens.
Burying your head in the sand won't make it go away
quote:you are intentionally overselling the situation to create a crisis that matches your reasoning. that's called cooking the evidence.
No misunderstanding here
quote:outside of nyc and possibly 3 or 4 other cities, there was basically no impact. at all. ever.
understating the impact
quote:i'm stating facts. you are sensationalizing
if the goal is a reasoned and rational discussion
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:49 pm to bfniii
quote:First, you need to understand what you are asking for. You seem to want 100% accuracy in reporting cause of death. This is simply not possible, given that we are human beings. The CDC guidelines are an attempt to get as close to 100% accuracy as we can get, given the known symptoms and pathology of the disease, and the likelihood that a given person died due to it. You seem to think that this is somehow different than the way we have recorded causes of death throughout the entire history of medicine. It is not.
which i have not done at any point. i'll ask the same question i've been asking for years in these forums that i never get an answer to - what did i say that's false?
Based on this basic fact of reality, the claim that a significant portion of health care workers and health departments are "borrowing" other causes of death is simply unfounded, and the claim requires proof that any significant errors are due to dishonesty rather than the inherent fallibility of humans.
quote:
i asked you to prove your point and you backpedaled with a manufactured rule of discussion
You asked me to prove a negative, which is both widely known to be impossible as well as easy to logically deduce as impossible.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:54 pm to Korkstand
Look pussy, you can stay in your house if you want... nobody is going to force you to leave.... well until your mom kicks you out of the basement.
But yes this is a overblown hoax, you can continue to look for the boogieman all you want... the rest of us are going to go on with our lives.
But yes this is a overblown hoax, you can continue to look for the boogieman all you want... the rest of us are going to go on with our lives.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:54 pm to bfniii
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you're right. because it's a bunch of unscholarly gobbledygook.
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