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re: Do most voters care either way about Israel?

Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:18 pm to
Posted by Rip Torn
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:18 pm to
No
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:34 pm to
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What is the saying, you will know who has control over you because you are not allowed to criticize them.



Establishment drones will argue that a little known neo-Nazi originated this aphorism to undermine its significance.

It would be more accurate to say that the neo-Nazi kited the idea from the thoughts of more renowned thinkers.

Writers as diverse as George Orwell, Hannah Arendt, Karl Popper, and Albert Camus have expressed similar ideas about the relationship between criticism, power, and freedom.
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 8:46 pm
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:44 pm to
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Do yall care about Israel and all the money we spend there?”

“Not really”



I am utterly amazed at how quickly too many in the MAGA movement suddenly have no interest in anything.

Who cares about Endless War in the Middle East?

Who cares about Regime Change?

Who cares about Epstein?

Who cares about anything?



This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 8:45 pm
Posted by Neutral Underground
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:54 pm to
There is a certain tribe that won't allow me to not think about it. Thats the entire point.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:08 pm to
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There is a certain tribe that won't allow me to not think about it.



That tribe is spelled M-I-C.



Posted by LSUbest
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:17 pm to
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Genocide is always wrong


Sometimes there's not a choice or not a better option.

When the two possible outcomes are their genocide or our genocide.

It's just a word they made up to pin an ugly name on something that has been happening since man learned to sharpen sticks.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:24 pm to
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When the two possible outcomes are their genocide or our genocide.



Who exactly is “our genocide” referring to?

Posted by Redbone
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:44 pm to
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It's just a word they made up to pin an ugly name on something
So is a million other words.
Posted by LSUbest
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:09 pm to
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Who exactly is “our genocide” referring to?


Surely someone as smart as you understands the extermination of "us" or "them" regardless of how one might parse and define the two.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 6:31 am to
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Surely someone as smart as you understands the extermination of "us" or "them" regardless of how one might parse and define the two.



It doesn’t require extraordinary intelligence to recognize that you glossed over a critical question: Who exactly faces extermination in this scenario?

It further doesn’t require a Ph.D. to understand that the term “our” inherently implies a collective identity. Indeed, any reasonably bright kindergartner knows that “our” is a possessive pronoun that indicates ownership or belonging to a group that includes the speaker.

Your response completely ignores the significant detail of who is actually facing extermination here. Call it parsing a sentence if you so choose, yet the urgency of survival in an extinction versus survival scenario should compel us to clearly define the parties involved, rather than resorting to vague allusions of “us” or “them.”
This post was edited on 12/22/25 at 7:10 am
Posted by LSUbest
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 6:24 pm to
I was wrong about you.

You imagined a specific scenario from "When the two possible outcomes are their genocide or our genocide". ?????

You're an idiot. Quit bothering me.
Posted by TailbackU
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 7:02 pm to
To the extent that I want a western-style democracy in the Middle East, yes. I love and respect and have many jewish friends whom I adore, but I don't want the U.S. to be dragged around by our nose cleaning up Israel's shite. And I don't agree with some who say that jews must preserve homeland just so if the shite hits the fan, they have a place to go "home". Either you identify as a citizen of the USA or Israel. You can't have it both ways just because you fear at some point you might be persecuted in the country in which you're currently living. I'm of Scottish heritage, but I shouldn't have immediate entry into Scotland should we (read: when we) devolve into civil war in the U.S. just because of my heritage. The level of hubris it takes to 1) think that way and 2) be surprised when people call you on out is astonishing.
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