re: Do liberals actually bring anything of value to this country?

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The internet was developed by some of the most left-leaning universities in the country.


Actually developed by the military.

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I thought it was Al Gore?

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The 40-hour work week.
Weekends
Vacations
Women’s Voting Rights
The Civil Rights Act of 1964
The right of people of all colors to use schools and facilities.
Public schools.
Child-labor laws.
The right to unionize
Health care benefits
National Parks
National Forests
Interstate Highway System
GI Bill
Labor Laws/Worker’s Rights
Marshall Plan
FDA
Direct election of Senators by the people. Occupational Safety and Health Administration,
Workplace safety laws
Social Security

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Regulations
Taxes
Authoritarianism
Land theft
Failed policies

That's all I see when you post this.

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Regulations
Taxes
Authoritarianism
Land theft
Failed policies

That's all I see when you post this.

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Regulations - let's ease off even more and have more disasters like what happened around Houston. You want lead back in your food?

Taxes - no one likes them, but if Trump gets his way, he won't pay any and your rates will go up.

Authoritarianism like controlling womens' bodies and wanting to stifle the free press?

Land theft - like rich developers getting GOP politicians to use imminent domain to grab land for their pet projects?

Failed policies - Like the way the Bush administration bombed the economy back in 2007-08 and ballooned the national debt with a $3 trillion off budget unnecessary war in Iraq and tax cuts that added another $2 trillion?

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Public libraries
Panama Canal
Hoover Dam
Medicare
FBI
Veterans Medical Care
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Religion/Separation of Church and State
Right to Due Process
Freedom of The Press
Right to Organize and Protest

maybe this will put it more in perspective for you.

I think of it this way. Conservatives generally contribute to how society functions on its basic level, whereas liberals contribute to making life in society worth living.

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Potentially, you are right Roger.

But it can also help your economy.

A motivated workforce can always outdo a less motivated one. And if people truly believe in something better for tomorrow, it drives to do more.

Learn more. Develop more. Manage more. Share more.

Now, you can pull this off with a strong enough national identity as well. It just depends on what is easier for your citizens to manage. It is better for people to strive for a more personal purpose as opposed to doing it simply "for the nation, for a king, etc."

I want people to seek the best in everything they do. To respect their fellow man and also to love their nation.

And classical liberalism supports that.

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No they don't. If they would just shut the frick up we could tolerate them but when they open their mouths about things that they know nothing about it causes problems.

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Some of us don't fit in on either side, believe it or not.

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For your sake, I hope you have enough people with similar views to make a tribe.

Not sure what happens in this country to be honest. Civil War, everyone decides to go their own way, everyone muddles along and we find one day that we are a diverse collection of tribes, and things are decided by identity politics.

But generally when things get this polarized it lasts for a while. Sometimes it is a case of hotheads and then people come to their senses. Other times it lasts forever (see Shia vs. Sunni as an example).

Regardless though, identity groups tend to view smaller ones on the basis of utility to them. If there is no utility... well maybe you would be better off being a lone iconoclast who can be ignored, rather than being a member of a small group with no throw weight and views that piss off bigger power blocs.

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Pretty much all good music and film, for one

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I think they have destroyed both - unless you like gratuitous violence, sexualization of every aspect of life, and loud screaming or 'rap.'

Nothing about the modern entertainment industry is an advance in human morality or aspiration - it all appeals to the basest of human instincts. But yes, it does it in a very appealing and mind-numbing fashion.

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A lot of the technology that you use everyday.

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And most of that technology was given to you by my generation - you know the ancient redneck racist deplorable bible-thumping flag waving nationalists. The new generation has taken our contributions to new heights in miniaturization, and capacity/performance. But Steve Jobs would still be fixing bicycles in his garage had we not handed him the fundamental discoveries and implementations.

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sciences

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If you want to look at hard sciences, I would bet that you would find more allegiance to bedrock conservative values that you would in the new purple-hair, gender-fluid, pro-abortion, anti-American, antifa/BLM-driven, welfare-state, agenda.

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pretty much everything
I have my differences with conservatives but I would never claim that they don't bring any value to anything. Not everything is about politics

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Fair enough. I completely agree that there are good people who side with the liberal side of politics.

But they are not the voice of the movement. They are still associating themselves with the stated goals of 'liberalism.'

What I, and most of the people on this board, are fighting against are the prime movers of the current 'liberal' agenda. These are the disgusting scum who are using real aspirations of a poverty stricken demographic as a cover for de-establishing everything that has made America great. Nothing that this group accomplishes does anything good - all it does is open up more avenues for more grievances.

Manufactured grievance is the property of only one side of this political divide. And that is the only weapon 'they' have.

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Liberals aren't the problem. It's the progressive/Antifa/SJW/socialist/left libertarians/BernieBots that are the problem

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I may not agree with most of the arguments made by the 20th century liberal but I could at least understand the reasoning behind them. The 21st century liberal is just flat out bat guano crazy and their rationale makes less sense than Mike Tyson explaining The War of the Roses.

And to answer the original question--Ben & Jerry's ice cream.