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Dershowitz: Stone Arrest All For 'Show'
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:16 pm
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Hits the nail on the head
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"You arrest this guy in a dawn raid, handcuff him, put him in shackles, and then you don't even ask the judge to raise the bail. $250,000, which is nothing bail. Clearly this was just a show, an attempt to put pressure on him," Dershowitz said.
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Dershowitz noted that the FBI conducts dramatic arrests like this one — which was caught on camera by a CNN crew — when they're dealing with the mafia or if they think the subject will try to run.
"But obviously the government doesn't think he's gonna flee, or else they would have asked for him to be remanded or would have asked for a higher bail than $250,000. This was a show arrest, and as civil libertarians, we ought to be very concerned about that," he said.
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Dershowitz was critical of what he called the "singing indictment" of Stone, which he said "tells a lot of stories about WikiLeaks."
"They're just their stories, and he can't defend against them because if he's put on trial, he's not accused of anything related to WikiLeaks," Dershowitz said. "He's only accused of giving false testimony and tampering with witnesses. So what we're seeing is the indictment is puffed up with all kinds of allegations and stories.
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"I think we're seeing in the indictments [of other Mueller targets] manipulation in order to prevail in the court of public opinion."
Hits the nail on the head
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:18 pm to TOKEN
This is what Mueller is reduced to justify his "appointment" as special counsel when it's absolutely clear that there is no Russian collusion by Donald Trump himself and no indication that his associates know anything.
The Mueller "investigation" is a farce that is a cover up and a revenge OP against Donald Trump.
The Mueller "investigation" is a farce that is a cover up and a revenge OP against Donald Trump.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:21 pm to TOKEN
roger isn't above the law.None of us are.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:21 pm to TOKEN
What's Dershowitz's opinion on OJ's guilt?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:22 pm to TOKEN
CNN cut Dershowitz short this morning because he was saying this was a big nothing. Said desperate prosecutors do stuff like this. CNN immediately ended the interview 
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:24 pm to TOKEN
Stone uses a the term “prepare to die”, which is included in the indictment...and you think the FBI should ignore it.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:27 pm to Sentrius
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This is what Mueller is reduced to justify his "appointment" as special counsel when it's absolutely clear that there is no Russian collusion by Donald Trump himself and no indication that his associates know anything.
The Mueller "investigation" is a farce that is a cover up and a revenge OP against Donald Trump.
Here is Muellers problem imo
If you arrest people for conspiring to get information from Russians in Trump campaign then you’re going to have to arrest those in Hillary campaign that did the same by gathering info through dossier. Then the entire merits of investigation is compromised for the public to see. So, Mueller is going to insinuate all kinds of things but never charge anyone for collusion. The only thing this investigation reveals is that Trump has some scumbags around his campaign and that the investigation was based on flawed operative intel gathering.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:28 pm to Clark14
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roger isn't above the law.None of us are.
I agree 1000%
Where are the charges on collision though?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:29 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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Stone uses a the term “prepare to die”, which is included in the indictment...and you think the FBI should ignore it
I assume all the media and celebrities that were calling for the heads of the catholic school kids should prepare for similar raids then, right?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:29 pm to Clark14
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roger isn't above the law.None of us are.
Well, except for certain Democrats apparently.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:31 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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Stone uses a the term “prepare to die”, which is included in the indictment...and you think the FBI should ignore it.
Do you hear me saying the FBI should ignore death threats to witnesses? No
I have no problem with Stone for being arrested for lying to Congress but let’s make sure we arrest Clapper and others that lie to Congress too?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:31 pm to TOKEN
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If you arrest people for conspiring to get information from Russians in Trump campaign then you’re going to have to arrest those in Hillary campaign that did the same by gathering info through dossier.
This line of thinking would have merit if he went after Tony Podesta for the same things he went after Paul Manafort for.
Mueller is a republican in name only as he's staffed his team with democrat partisans and damn every step of this "investigation' has reflected democrat partisan thinking.
The only reason they disputed Buzzfeed last week was that democrats were going to run with it and actually start impeachment proceedings before they were finished.
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that the investigation was based on flawed operative intel gathering.
Hence why a special counsel should've never been allowed. It wasn't fit for investigation by the regular FBI let alone a special counsel.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:34 pm to CFBFAN1121
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What's Dershowitz's opinion on OJ's guilt?
Pretty sure he believes OJ did it but that wasn’t his job?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:36 pm to Sentrius
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Hence why a special counsel should've never been allowed. It wasn't fit for investigation by the regular FBI let alone a special counsel.
I think there certainly should of been an investigation into Russia by the FBI.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:37 pm to TOKEN
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Do you hear me saying the FBI should ignore death threats to witnesses? No
You agreed with Dershowitz. Dershowitz ignored the facts of the indictment.
The FBI i was dealing with a threat appropriately.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:37 pm to TOKEN
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Pretty sure he believes OJ did it but that wasn’t his job?
Fair enough. There's only a couple of lawyers going to bat for Trump.
Giuliani and OJ's lawyer.
I don't think that is a good sign for Trump.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:40 pm to Sentrius
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The Mueller "investigation" is a farce that is a cover up and a revenge OP against Donald Trump.
Well the Swamp certainly wants Trump to go away but I’m convinced the SC was formed for a more nefarious reason.... to distract and run cover for the real Swamp corruption.
If Mueller spent 1 week seriously investigating Hilldawg and her email scandal, investigating her campaign/DNC funneling money to foreign agents to pay for a fraudulent dossier that was consequently used to surveil Trump’s campaign...., I have to believe people would have already been indicted, charged and incarcerated.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:47 pm to TOKEN
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I think we're seeing in the indictments [of other Mueller targets] manipulation in order to prevail in the court of public opinion."
Yep. Mueller has been reduced to a dog & pony show, all because the crooked SOB HAS NOTHING regarding what he's really supposed to be looking at.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:47 pm to CFBFAN1121
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Fair enough. There's only a couple of lawyers going to bat for Trump.
Giuliani and OJ's lawyer.
I don't think that is a good sign for Trump
You can try to discredit Dershowitz but he’s regarded as one of the top Constitutional lawyers in the country.
Let’s get down to the heart of investigation, is there collusion? Mueller was pretty much saying there was collusion today but not ONE charge of collusion was in Stones charges?. Stones a liar and a scumbag but I’m waiting for charges on COLLUSION.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:54 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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You agreed with Dershowitz. Dershowitz ignored the facts of the indictment.
The FBI i was dealing with a threat appropriately.
Dershowitz never says there wasn’t crimes by Stone and neither do I? We are saying Mueller put a dog and pony show on today and had some heavy allegations on Stone but never charged him with anything about Collusion? Why?
Manaford is going down for tax evasion, Flynn for lying about secret talks but you don’t see treason or collusion in any charges? Why? Again I’m not saying these people shouldn’t be arrested if they lie to FBI but it’s 100% process crimes.
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