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re: DC Circuit Rules against Trump re House Request for Tax Records

Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:08 am to
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:08 am to
Yay, now what?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:09 am to
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Are you about to get him this time?
I rather doubt that anything Congress finds in his tax returns will sway many Trump voters. I have never said otherwise.

Will they find evidence which would lead to Senate conviction on impeachment? I have not seen the tax returns or supporting data, so it would be silly to opine on that issue.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21240 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:10 am to
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This board is a cesspool of indignity.


With people like you, you are 100% correct in that statement. Thanks for playing.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:11 am to
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They think proving trump isn’t a billionaire but rather only worth hundreds and hundreds of millions would be a le epic own even though it’s more than they will ever have in their life.


The thing is none of this can be determined by tax returns.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:12 am to
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So OP....no cliff notes with your twist on it?
Dude, your brain simply does not work on the level of Hank's... How dare you ask him to lower himself to your level to explain something....
I often explain legal rulings ... both those with which I agree and otherwise.

I have found that the reaction almost-uniformly ignores the legal analysis and devolves into a partisan pep rally, rendering the substantive explanation rather pointless.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:12 am to
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Will they find evidence which would lead to Senate conviction on impeachment? I have not seen the tax returns or supporting data, so it would be silly to opine on that issue.
The hope is alive!
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:12 am to
En Banc request for rehearing first, then to the Supremes.

Dissent IDs the bullshite in the first two pages.

Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14977 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:13 am to
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Neoli Reo, a Trump nominee to the appeals court, dissented. Judge Tatel (who authored the opinion) was nominated by President Bill Clinton and Judge Patricia Millett, who joined him in the majority, was selected by President Barack Obama.



Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90572 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:14 am to
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Dissent IDs the bullshite in the first two pages.
LibbyHank didn't mention that!
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:15 am to
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6 pages from the majority and 68 in the dissent.


Actually, 66 from the majority and 68 in dissent. The majority opinion is very well written. It would be a political stretch for the Supreme Court to reverse. Frankly, the dissent by Rao reads like an attempt to get on Trump's shortlist for Supreme Court, since the way to advance in this administration is to fawn over Trump.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:17 am to
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I have found that the reaction almost-uniformly ignores the legal analysis and devolves into a partisan pep rally, rendering the substantive explanation rather pointless.


This is why no one takes you seriously and I honestly think you mean well, but exactly what you said and how you said it is why I think you suck as a poster...

Most here appreciate an unbiased answer and when they do not agree with the substance of the answer, it is not an attack on you or necessarily partisan but an expression of their support OR dislike of the substance...

Sorry your ego does not allow your brain to separate the two...
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115415 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:17 am to
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Actually, 66 from the majority and 68 in dissent. The majority opinion is very well written. It would be a political stretch for the Supreme Court to reverse. Frankly, the dissent by Rao reads like an attempt to get on Trump's shortlist for Supreme Court, since the way to advance in this administration is to fawn over Trump.




Won't be a stretch at all.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:17 am to
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Yay, now what?
Trump has the option of requesting an en banc review. There are eleven judges on the Court ... Seven Dem appointees and four GOP appointees. Merrick Garland is Chief Judge. Thus, Trump may see such a request as being pointless, but may do it anyway just to buy time.

He also has the option of an appeal to SCOTUS.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90572 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:18 am to
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The majority opinion is very well written.
Like you would know.
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Frankly, the dissent by Rao reads like an attempt to get on Trump's shortlist for Supreme Court, since the way to advance in this administration is to fawn over Trump.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:18 am to
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He also has the option of an appeal to SCOTUS.


And here we go.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:19 am to
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It would be a political stretch for the Supreme Court to reverse.


The Supreme Court should be wholly unconcerned with politics, should it not?
Posted by midnight_chopper
Member since Mar 2018
734 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:25 am to
So just to clarify. As an attorney, you think it is ok for them to subpoena his tax returns with no evidence of a crime and then use them as evidence in a potential impeachment trial?
This post was edited on 10/11/19 at 10:26 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:29 am to
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Most here appreciate an unbiased answer and when they do not agree with the substance of the answer, it is not an attack on you or necessarily partisan but an expression of their support OR dislike of the substance....
this may indeed be true of some posters, but it is hardly reflective of the majority.

How many times in the last year or two and we witnessed a huge celebratory flurry of threads regarding some unimportant procedural ruling in favor of Trump? Dozens of separate instances.

How many times have I or one of the other attorneys on this forum tried to explain the non-substantive nature of the ruling and explain/predict the most-likely subsequent events? Fewer, because most of the attorneys have come to see such explanations as pointless.

What is the majority of the reaction to the persons trying to provide such explanations? More often than not, it is comprised almost entirely of insulting epithets and misrepresentations of the political views of the attorney trying to provide the explanation.

How often are those explanations and predictions proven true, within days or weeks? Almost uniformly.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:33 am to
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So just to clarify. As an attorney, you think it is ok for them to subpoena his tax returns with no evidence of a crime and then use them as evidence in a potential impeachment trial?
To the best of my recollection, I have not expressed any views on the issue.

Given the current state of the law, this sort of investigation would indeed seem to be within the authority of the House, but it is not a “slam dunk“ in my view.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:33 am to
You have major insecurities on this board Hank. I don’t understand why you come around if you despise the posters so much.

Might by time to take a hiatus.
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