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Conservatives are openly threatening to tank Johnson's foreign aid plan

Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:30 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30437 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:30 pm
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Mike Johnson’s plan to put a package of separate foreign aid measures on this floor is running into a familiar hurdle — conservative backlash — and it remains unclear whether Democrats would step in to save his efforts.

The extent of the right-flank rebellion is still uncertain, as Republicans and Democrats alike stress they need to see the details of the complicated rule that would govern debate on a bill aiding Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan before making a final decision. However, it’s clear at this point Johnson would need Democratic support to even start debate on the floor.
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“Right now, the rule doesn't pass with Republicans,” said Rep. Kelly Armstrong (R-N.D.). “I walked out of there and I am usually pretty good at seeing the board. I don't see the board right now.”

“The rule that was proposed last night at conference will fail,” said conservative Rep. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio), who declined to say if he would vote for it.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) became the most prominent GOP lawmaker to voice outright opposition to the rule on the foreign aid package on Tuesday. Other conservatives are rumbling about voting against the measure, even as they haven’t committed yet.
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Republican leaders counter that resistance from their own ranks is premature because they're still working out the full details of the proposal. Majority Leader Steve Scalise, for example, referred to a second rule for debate that "hasn't even been written."

Majority Whip Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) indicated no plans to pressure Republicans to vote for the rule on the floor, even as the GOP majority has lost a historic number of the usually party-line votes this Congress.

“We don't whip rules,” he indicated. “It’s a team vote on the Republican side to advance our agenda.”

The fate of the foreign aid package comes even as a second Republican, Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie, voiced support for Greene's push to oust Johnson from the speakership — despite staunch opposition to her plan from much of the GOP conference.

Asked directly if they could pass a rule for debate on foreign aid along the outlines of what Johnson is proposing, new Rules Chair Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Texas) replied candidly: "TBD."

One conservative who's not threatening to tank the rule is Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.), a member of the powerful Rules panel that's responsible for setting up floor debate. Norman's support in committee would at least let the rule get to the floor, though its future is perilous beyond that.

“I am going to vote for the rule on the committee and I will probably vote for the [rule] on the floor,” Norman said Tuesday. “We have a right to vote on it — I don't have that right to deny that. On final passage, the devil is in the details.”

As skeptical as conservatives are of the foreign aid plan itself, some appear more open to supporting the rule. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) said in an interview he was “listening” to supporters but that “it's a little early yet” to know if he would vote to start debate. Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) said “I don’t believe that this is the right approach” on foreign aid.

Burchett and Roy were part of a small group that met with Johnson separately on Tuesday as his right flank pitched an alternate foreign aid proposal.

That plan, according to Freedom Caucus Chair Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.), would include Israel aid bill as a stand-alone paired with corresponding spending cuts, and then a separate bill that would pair lethal aid for Ukraine — also paid for by other spending cuts — with border security measures.

"We continue to have conversations with leadership and across the conference, and my hope is that what we'll pursue," Good said, asked if his group's members had pitched Johnson.

If Democrats stepped in to save floor debate on foreign aid, it would be an extraordinary development. The minority party in the House, almost without exception, doesn’t step in to save the agenda of the party in power.

Democrats are staying mum for now, but are cracking open the door to doing so.

“We are in negotiations on exactly what is going to be in this bill from Republicans. Once we see that — once that is finalized — then we are going to move to the process discussion,” said Minority Whip Katherine Clark (D-Mass.). “But it's certainly on the table as a possibility.”

So what would it say if Democrats salvaged the foreign aid package?

“One of two things: It says either that we've got some people in our party that voted against the rule that are going to continue to push chaos, or leadership has brought a bill to the floor that's fatally flawed,” Rep. Garret Graves (R-La.) said.

Asked as to which one he thought was at play here, Graves merely smiled: “I'm going to let you choose.”


https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/04/16/congress/new-peril-for-foreign-aid-00152508
Posted by cajuntiger1010
Member since Jan 2015
9225 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:31 pm to
I’d like to put the dems on record if they would support Israel or not…
The “progressive” wing would leave them in droves & vote third party or stay home
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
10312 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:33 pm to
Getting interesting isn't it.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
10963 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:36 pm to
Why does Congress even have rules? They overwrite them, re-write them, and ignore them constantly.

Our Congress is an absolute shite pile.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5555 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:40 pm to
Here’s what is going to happen. Either together or separately, funding for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan will pass. There may be some funding for the border, which will only help to improve the processing of illegal aliens into our country.

Book it.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98602 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:42 pm to
Good.

We have our own shite to deal with.
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
4915 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:10 pm to
good we shouldnt send money to any foreign country
Posted by CaneyLake
Member since Jun 2023
137 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:14 pm to
The border doesn't even need more funding...they just need to be allowed to do their fricking job.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
6405 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:42 pm to
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Here’s what is going to happen. Either together or separately, funding for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan will pass. There may be some funding for the border, which will only help to improve the processing of illegal aliens into our country. Book it.


Same story, different day. Every single freaking time. We can’t take care of our own house but the taxpayers money continues to be thrown around like we’re at a strip club. Ukraine is a lost cause, it could have went down differently within the first several months but we live in the real world, and the next World War wasn’t happening and still won’t happen because of Ukraine. Israel is a big boy. I understand the importance of Israel and the importance of Israel’s survival but we also have problems. Taiwan is the only 1 out of the 3 that I can continue to support but depending on when China finally acts on what they want, it might not matter.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
3687 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:51 pm to
Personally I HOPE the Ukrainian army collapses before this aid even gets voted on.
Posted by OzonaOkapi
Patrolling the Edwards Plateau
Member since Apr 2024
400 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:28 pm to
Is Congress heading in the direction of the Texas Legislature? Governance by a bipartisan, centrist coalition, excluding the extremist fringes of each party?

That would be AWFUL ,.. not.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 11:29 pm
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98836 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 11:37 pm to
Good. Keep our stolen money here. Jews are supposed to be good with money, so I’m sure they’ll figure it out.
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