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re: Confederate flags everywhere
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:15 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:15 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:Give me the redemptive qualities of the Confederate flag or would you just prefer attacking the Stars & Stripes? You can't because there are no redeeming qualities for that Confederate garbage.
And the Stars and Stripes flew over the absolutely brutal suppression of the Philippines revolt.
And it was the banner that we carried when we decimated the Indians in the west, in our savage war of peace.
You can find ugliness everywhere. A single minded approach to history is a fundamentally illiterate one.
The choice to view these as racist, and that’s a choice, isn’t driven by history. It’s driven by a personal antipathy to southern culture.
We understand that the US isn't perfect( never claimed it) that's why some "take a knee" during the anthem.
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:20 pm to sugar71
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Give me the redemptive qualities of the Confederate flag
This flag wasn't the flag of the Confederacy, it was simply a flag so a unit could be identified.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:21 pm to sugar71
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Give me the redemptive qualities of the Confederate flag
Lord Acton, the man who wrote that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and a fervent abolitionist, wrote in the aftermath of Waterloo, that while he was pleased the French had been defeated, he could not be happy, because he mourned the state that died at Richmond.
Why?
Lord Acton was very worried about the increasing centralization of power in the west, and he believed, correctly, that this would result in societies where personal freedom was very limited.
The Confederacy was the one contemporary state which pulled in the opposite direction. So while it was a slave state, and there is an impossible and strange contradiction there, and Acton despised slavery as a moral abomination, the south did prize freedom, Acton believed that was an overriding good.
I assume he believed that slavery would either die out, or would be terminated internally.
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History is nuanced, and to write off the south would be an uneducated thing to do. There was good with the bad.
We should see both.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:25 pm to VanzettiVandal
quote:There is, or used to be, a place on Hwy 16 between Denham Springs and Watson that has a bunch of that stuff.
Where is a good site to buy high quality Confederate flag stuff
MAGA
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:26 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Lord Acton, the man who wrote that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and a fervent abolitionist, wrote in the aftermath of Waterloo, that while he was pleased the French has been defeated, he could not be happy, because he mourned the state that died at Richmond.
Why?
Lord Acton was very worried about the increasing centralization of power in the west, and he believed, correctly, that this would result in societies where personal freedom was very limited.
The Confederacy was the one contemporary state which pulled in the opposite direction. So while it was a slave state, and Acton despised slavery as a moral abomination, he believed there was a good at its core.
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History is nuanced, and to write off the south would be an uneducated thing to do. There was good with the bad.
We should see both.
Like everything else 80-100 IQ lowits and midwits drive everything. "Doh flag slavery"
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:33 pm to 93and99
Easy to throw around insults on a message board chump. The only losers i see is those waving around a loser flag. At the end of the day the only confederate flag that mattered was the white flag when they surrendered
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:35 pm to Pianoman
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Main reason for the war was over states rights.
I have a degree in history with a concentration in the Civil War and I don’t need any of that to know that this has been debunked a long time ago. But I’m not going to resort to name-calling because even I believed the “states rights” theory for many years.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:36 pm to Froman
Sure you do. Just like you know 20ppl with Corona
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:36 pm to BlackAngus
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Easy to throw around insults on a message board chump. The only losers i see is those waving around a loser flag. At the end of the day the only confederate flag that mattered was the white flag when they surrendered
You seem so hurt and wounded by our continued otherness.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:36 pm to Lima Whiskey
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the preservation of their home-front
Preservation of a home-front in which white supremacy supported every bit of prosperity.
The war was about slavery. This dribble about fighting for your home, your land, your brethren ignores the fact that The Cause was to preserve a white supremacist economic system where wealth was created almost exclusively by slave labor.
To use an imperfect metaphor, imagine the outrage in Texas if Al Gore had won the presidency and outlawed oil and gas production. Most every Texan would be up-in-arms about it, from Rex Tillerson on down to the family in Midland who runs the taco truck. The ensuing secession and war wouldn’t be about kinship or land or “state’s rights.” It’d be about oil and the lawful access to it.
We know the Civil War was fought over slavery and the life it provided because the secessionists told us in no unequivocal terms:
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We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding States.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:37 pm to BlackAngus
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The only losers i see is those waving around a loser flag.
Like the commie flag, eh? As BLM is Marxist..
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:37 pm to BlackAngus
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The only losers i see is those waving around a loser flag
Hawaii has the Union Jack in their state flag.
California's state flag is a tribute to the flag of the California Republic.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:37 pm to Lima Whiskey
Lets change the name from the confederate flag to the surrender flag.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:38 pm to Froman
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I have a degree in history with a concentration in the Civil War and I don’t need any of that to know that this has been debunked a long time ago.
I also have a history degree with a focus on the Civil War, and I disagree.
Worries over political “slavery”, the political subjugation of the South by the north, were a major issue in the papers.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:39 pm to AUCom96
quote:The North was far too magnanimous with the South if anything. They Probably should have been treated more like post war Nazi Germany when nearly all physical remnants/ symbols to that regime were destroyed & outlawed by the Allies.
If the south had been brought back into the union with any shred of dignity, all vestiges of the confederacy would have quickly faded
Unfortunately Radical Republicans like Thaddeus Stevens didn't get their way .
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:39 pm to SCLibertarian
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This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:40 pm to sugar71
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The North was far too magnanimous with the South if anything. They Probably should have been treated more like post war Nazi Germany when nearly all physical remnants/ symbols to that regime were destroyed & outlawed by the Allies.
Well lets compare two things that are completely different.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:41 pm to victoire sécurisé
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This dribble about fighting for your home, your land, your brethren ignores the fact that The Cause was to preserve a white supremacist economic system where wealth was created almost exclusively by slave labor.
You can make that claim, but it requires ignoring period media, and how the soldiers explained their motivations in their letters.
And this was a very literate period. Literacy exceeded 90% within the enlisted ranks, if I remember correctly.
Yes you have the fire eaters, and they were generally fervent supporters of slavery, but they were not the South.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:42 pm to BlackAngus
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It is a slavery and racist flag though.
Except that’s not. It’s a historic flag that represented the various southern armies and the Army of Northern Virginia in particular. The overwhelming majority of of those that fought under that banner couldn’t give two shits about slavery and held the same opinion of blacks that the army across from them held.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 12:50 pm to BlackAngus
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BlackAngus - have the nerve to call themselves patriotic.
I, proudly, served in the UNITED STATES Army '69, '70 & '71. I was in infantry right along side of other guys from south (as well as north, some of them being black).
That is the same United States Army that beat the south.
So how da fuk can you possibly doubt my patriotism?
Question to BlackAngus: Did YOU serve in the military?
Soooo, fuk you and the horse that rode you in you illconcieved hollier than thou yankee bastard.
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