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re: College athletes that can't read?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:40 am to RandyVandy
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:40 am to RandyVandy
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It would, and we would all stop watching. I say it over and over every time this subject comes up, but the model you are talking about already exists: It's called Division III. Major athletic programs have already done as you suggest; I'm sure you'd have no problems getting tickets to a University of Chicago or Sewanee football game.
Everyone would still watch...the reason no one watches sewanee is because it's sewanee...people would still watch LSU v Alabama. There might be a drop off at first but LSU alumni still need to do something on fall Saturdays and I don't think they're going to get into minor league football.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:41 am to CarrolltonTiger
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I don't believe anyone can graduate from high school reading at a 4th grade level, matriculate at LSU while being a varsity athlete and then get into a legitimate medical school based upon your academic abilities.
Not unless the medical school is in Grenada.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:13 am to Revelator
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Professional football would have to set up some type of minor league that is wholly separate from attending college.
I doubt it would go to that expense.
If the colleges lost the unqualified scholars, the college game would still be competitive and interesting, the pros could still select the best of what college has too offer in a draft, and those uneducated gems could be discovered through try outs.
And if the NFL returned to a smaller, slower player they would probably largely solve their injury problem.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It would totally change college football as it stands but probably needs to be done. No one is actually buying the "student athlete" myth anymore.
This is probably true for most student athletes, particularly in the major sports like football, baseball, and basketball.
But I'd have to imagine it's less prevalent in the smaller sports that aren't big money sports. Just a guess.
FWIW I've met a few student athletes in my day that were legit student athletes. Ronald Dupree was in my electronics 2 class in EE and had excellent attendance. You don't make it to that class without running through a pretty tough group of weed out classes. So there are certainly exceptions to the rule.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:18 am to Powerman
LSU has had its share of true gems over the years in terms of GPA and continuing education into the professional schools after playing sports. There is no way that a student achieves a 4.0 without a functioning brain cell.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:01 am to Revelator
Dexter Manley was an all-pro defensive end for the Wash Redskins. When he retired he came out and admitted that he couldn't read or write. Yet he got his degree from Okla. State. The purpose of his testimony was to discourage High Schools and Colleges from passing star athletes along when they are not doing the academic work.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:02 am to Zach
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Dexter Manley
My dad went to high school with him...
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:06 am to Powerman
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This is probably true for most student athletes, particularly in the major sports like football, baseball, and basketball.
At the college level most baseball players are fairly bright. The HS players who are really dim witted go straight into the minor leagues at age 18. The Latin players go into the minors even younger.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:09 am to Zach
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he couldn't read or write. Yet he got his degree from Okla. State
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:15 am to SammyTiger
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How great would this have been from a big ten team. They fricking love to talk about how smart their athletes are.
Yeah, anyone bragging about academics and athletics is full of shite. Many athletes that play for their schools wouldn't get in on academics alone.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:29 am to TigerintheNO
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There was a New York Times article last week, about how a UNC professor was charged with some type of public fraud, he was the chairman of the African and Afro-American studies department.
He ran the department for 20 years and they found out that dozens of this classes would never meet. A majority of his students were UNC basketball and football players. The chairman and his assistant (she retire with full pension after 30 years) presided over 500+ unauthorized grade changes for athletes dating back to 1997, which included forging professors' signatures.
He was paid 12 grand to teach an afro-american studies class, inwhich numerous athletes enrolled. He wasn't even in the country at anytime the course took place.
That is very shocking and quite sad.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:56 am to cajunangelle
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That is very shocking and quite sad.
True story. Centenary College had a great BB team when Robert Parish was there. Most of the players were semi-literate. English 101 was required and it was a bitch of a class.
So, the athletic dept. created "English 101 for Basketball Players Only". But this was a violation of NCAA rules. So, they circumvented the rule. Any student in the college could register for "English for BB" .. HOWEVER...you had to find out where registration would be held and at what time.
So, the players were told that registration for the class would be at the asst. coach's house at 11 pm on Tuesday. And don't tell anyone else!
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No one would get sued if they universally held ALL students up to the same standard
It would totally change college football as it stands but probably needs to be done. No one is actually buying the "student athlete" myth anymore.
I agree that this needs to be done. I think it would be particularly devastating for the SEC but the integrity of our universities has been compromised and it should be fixed. The problem of course, is any change/enforcement of standards would be met with racist overtones.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:52 pm to ironsides
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Do away with title IX then. Do you honestly think LSU women's soccer or even women's basketball is self sufficient?
you miss the point.
No sport, outside of football and men's basketball at a few institutions is self-sufficient. Athletic departments lose money and at more then a few of them LOSE BIG MONEY.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yeah, anyone bragging about academics and athletics is full of shite. Many athletes that play for their schools wouldn't get in on academics alone.
Yup. All universities have this problem, just like all universities cheat their arse off, only a few of them are caught but the keystone cop enforcement division of the NCAA.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:55 pm to Zach
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So, the players were told that registration for the class would be at the asst. coach's house at 11 pm on Tuesday. And don't tell anyone else!
This should be a criminal offense when done at public institutions. Don't care what private schools do and I'm okay with private schools dominating college football.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:59 pm to Asgard Device
This has to be a poli-board first. I have only scanned this thread, but I don't think there has been any poster that has disagreed with another poster.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:01 pm to La Place Mike
Screw you Mike you are wrong!
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:18 pm to Jbird
quote:Well that didn't take very long.
Screw you Mike you are wrong!
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:20 pm to La Place Mike
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