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re: Close down the US military facility in Israel
Posted on 10/20/19 at 7:40 pm to BayouBlitz
Posted on 10/20/19 at 7:40 pm to BayouBlitz
Friendly reminder the Jews killed Jesus.
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Posted on 10/20/19 at 7:47 pm to BayouBlitz
I don't think you'll find a ton of push back on this site.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:00 pm to Manzielathon
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Friendly reminder the Jews killed Jesus.
And here is yours, that Jesus (God) ordained it to happen. He died for us, that we may find salvation through Him. Those who put him to death matter not.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:04 pm to Manzielathon
The Jews did in fact demand the execution of Christ.
Germany was not a threat to the US in 1940.
Communists are still very active and their 5th-column transnational reach is the greatest threat to our American society today.
3 facts.
Germany was not a threat to the US in 1940.
Communists are still very active and their 5th-column transnational reach is the greatest threat to our American society today.
3 facts.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:10 pm to DeusVultMachina
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3 facts
2 facts, and an ideologically driven mantra. Whole lot of folks who actually lived in that time, and sent their sons to deal with the threat or die trying, says you’re mistaken, or trying to sell an agenda.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:12 pm to troyt37
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2 facts, and an ideologically driven mantra. Whole lot of folks who actually lived in that time, and sent their sons to deal with the threat or die trying, says you’re mistaken, or trying to sell an agenda.
You believe communism to not be a threat? Truly?
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:16 pm to DeusVultMachina
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You believe communism to not be a threat? Truly?
No, but I’m pretty sure you have a comprehension problem. Germany was a global threat in 1940, and pretty much everyone except today’s new-nazis, and apparently many libertarian types recognize it. Learn something new every day.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:22 pm to troyt37
Relax, I guess I misunderstood which statement you disagreed with.
Please scroll back a page, geaux88 and I had a great history discussion where I elucidated the fact that Germany was not a conquest threat to America in 1940.
Why are you disputing this? It is an absolute fact that 1940 Nazi Germany could NOT carry out a transoceanic conquest of 1940 America. Fact.
I also agree that Nazis bad. Also, communists bad.
Why do you disagree? Are you pro communist or what? I am genuinely curious, not attempting to insult, troy. I don't understand your position.
With slightly different choices, America could have ended both the Nazi and Communist threats in the 1940s. With no Cold War.
This. Is. My. Whole. Point.
Please scroll back a page, geaux88 and I had a great history discussion where I elucidated the fact that Germany was not a conquest threat to America in 1940.
Why are you disputing this? It is an absolute fact that 1940 Nazi Germany could NOT carry out a transoceanic conquest of 1940 America. Fact.
I also agree that Nazis bad. Also, communists bad.
Why do you disagree? Are you pro communist or what? I am genuinely curious, not attempting to insult, troy. I don't understand your position.
With slightly different choices, America could have ended both the Nazi and Communist threats in the 1940s. With no Cold War.
This. Is. My. Whole. Point.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:36 pm to troyt37
Let's try this again troyt: Including communist Russia in Lend-Lease (just because FDR was a socialist and known sympathizer to the communist party of the USSR) was a huge mistake.
Discuss.
Discuss.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:15 pm to DeusVultMachina
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Please scroll back a page, geaux88 and I had a great history discussion where I elucidated the fact that Germany was not a conquest threat to America in 1940.
I read all of that days ago, and I disagree. Had Hitler not attacked Russia, all of Europe including Britain are gone. We had U boats up and down the east coast as it was. What does it look like with Britain as a jumping off point? There’s a reason we cleaned out Europe before we really got after Japan. How would you like to have been fighting Japan in the Pacific, and Germany in the Atlantic? Not a threat? You’re out of your ever loving mind. You think Germany couldn’t have rolled over Mexico the same way they did France, Poland, or Czechoslovakia?
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I also agree that Nazis bad. Also, communists bad.
Why do you disagree? Are you pro communist or what? I am genuinely curious, not attempting to insult, troy. I don't understand your position.
I never said any different, and your question can be seen as nothing but an insult, a-hole. I got in this conversation because you pricks were acting like we should have sided with the Nazis. It’s fricking stupid, ignorant to even contemplate, and makes me wonder what kind of fricking retards I converse with here. Sure the commies were no great shakes, but they weren’t trying to conquer the fricking world at the time, or exterminate an entire people.
Now, if you want to have a conversation, even a spirited debate about the topic, bring it. But frick you is about all your going to get from this point, if you’re want to paint me as a fricking communist. I’ve been around here for more than a decade, and you’re the first to pull some shite like that out of your arse. I fricking hate communists, communism, and socialism, and if you’ve ever read my posts, there’s no mistaking it. But acting like the USSR was the same threat that Nazi Germany was in 1940, is monumentally fricking stupid.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:24 pm to troyt37
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Had Hitler not attacked Russia, all of Europe including Britain are gone
This is true, but not in the way you think. If Hitler didn’t attack the communists they would have stocked up enough to take over Europe under the hammer and sickle.
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Sure the commies were no great shakes, but they weren’t trying to conquer the fricking world at the time, or exterminate an entire people.
The opposite is true. You are literally completely wrong.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:40 pm to Jazzhands_McFeels
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This is true, but not in the way you think. If Hitler didn’t attack the communists they would have stocked up enough to take over Europe under the hammer and sickle.
They didn’t even have enough to defend themselves from Germany, without US support.
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The opposite is true. You are literally completely wrong.
Well, if you’re going to just make up your own history, by all means list for me the number of conquered nations Russia had racked up by 1940, and tell me the people they were systematically exterminating?
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:47 pm to troyt37
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Now, if you want to have a conversation, even a spirited debate about the topic, bring it. But frick you is about all your going to get from this point, if you’re want to paint me as a fricking communist. I’ve been around here for more than a decade, and you’re the first to pull some shite like that out of your arse. I fricking hate communists, communism, and socialism, and if you’ve ever read my posts, there’s no mistaking it. But acting like the USSR was the same threat that Nazi Germany was in 1940, is monumentally fricking stupid
I legit apologize, I just didn't understand your post. I don't think you're a communist, and you've made it clear you hate them as much as I do. Seriously, its all good. Really, we are definitely on the same side.
Lets talk ww2 history, its more fun if you step back with me.
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We had U boats up and down the east coast as it was. What does it look like with Britain as a jumping off point?
No. Firstly, the u-boat wolfpacks were AWESOME at harrying allied shipping lanes. But at no point in the war did they ever come close to controlling allied shipping lanes. Admiral Doenitz himself conceded this point, so you probably should too.
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Had Hitler not attacked Russia, all of Europe including Britain are gone.
This is also false, Hitler lacked the logistical materiel, air and sea superiority to undertake or succeed in operation sealion. This, again, is historical fact.
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There’s a reason we cleaned out Europe before we really got after Japan.
I thought wrong. You are not a ww2 buff. The war in the pacific had been raging for years prior to the June 6, 1944 invasion of mainland Europe.
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Sure the commies were no great shakes, but they weren’t trying to conquer the fricking world at the time
shite yes, they absolutely were. Holy shite, please read about Com-intern and other high profile programs. Also hitler had very specific conquest aims, and it was not global. And don't take my word for it, you can actually read his.
And if you don't think of the USSR itself as hyper militaristic or expansionist at that time, well.... also... I have a bridge to sell you somewhere in finland
In regards to your earlier points re: mass killings: the ruskies pogroms made Hitler's genocides look like child's play. You can resesrch numbers if you like; it is substantially worse than you realize.
Please reflect, this is not meant to insult. I'm just trying to discuss actual factual WW2 events and capabilities with you, man. I have spent years studying this exact subject.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:51 pm to BayouBlitz
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Bring our boys home! Not our business! No more involvement in eternal warfare! frick the Middle East!
In fact, close all of our facilities in the ME and bring our ships back. We're not the world's police.
I agree, but let me get this straight, you're a war fan because frick Trump? Strange melt, liberals are do lost.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:02 pm to troyt37
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Well, if you’re going to just make up your own history, by all means list for me the number of conquered nations Russia had racked up by 1940,
You are joking or sarcastic right? Soviet military agression mirrored or exceeded that of the third reich at the exact same time reference.
Latvia, Estonia, Finland (attempted but thankfully the finns BTFO the soviets) say hi. And fricking Poland. Of course, (invade across border while germans strike east from the western border).
You might want to stop while you're behind.
This post was edited on 10/20/19 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:04 pm to troyt37
From General Degrelle:
During the Soviet-German Pact, Hitler was trying to gain time but the Soviets were intensifying their acts of aggression from Estonia to Bukovina. I now read extracts from Soviet documents. They are most revealing. Let's read from Marshal Voroshilov himself: We now have the time to prepare ourselves to be the executioner of the capitalist world while it is agonizing. We must, however, be cautious. The Germans must not have any inkling that we are preparing to stab them in the back while they are busy fighting the French. Otherwise, they could change their general plan, and attack us.
In the same record. Marshal Choponitov wrote: "The coexistence between Hitler's Germany and the Soviet Union is only temporary. We will not make it last very long." Marshal Timoshenko, for his part, did not want to be so hasty: "Let us not forget that our war material from our Siberian factories will not be delivered until Fall." This was written at the beginning of 1941, and the material was only to be delivered in the Fall. The war industry Commisariat Report stated: We will not be in full production until 1942. Marshal Zhukov made this extraordinary admission: "Hitler is in a hurry to invade us; he has good reasons for it." Indeed, Hitler had good reasons to invade Russia in a hurry because he realized he would be wiped out if he did not. Zhukov added: "We need a few more months to rectify many of our defects before the end of 1941. We need 18 months to complete the modernization of our forces."
More than 2,500 new concrete fortifications were built between 1939 and 1940. 160 divisions were made combat-ready. 60 tank divisions were on full alert. The Germans only had 10 panzer tank divisions. In 1941, the Soviets had 17,000 tanks, and by 1942 they had 32,000. They had 92,578 pieces of artillery. And their 17,545 combat planes in 1940 outnumbered the German air force.
It is easy to understand that with such war preparations going on. Hitler was left with only one option: Invade the Soviet Union immediately, or face annihilation. Hitler's Russian campaign was the "last chance" campaign. Hitler did not go into Russia with any great optimism. He told me later on: "When I entered Russia, I was like a man facing a shut door. I knew I had to crash through it, but without knowing what was behind it." Hitler was right. He knew the Soviets were strong, but above all he knew they were going to be a lot stronger.
During the Soviet-German Pact, Hitler was trying to gain time but the Soviets were intensifying their acts of aggression from Estonia to Bukovina. I now read extracts from Soviet documents. They are most revealing. Let's read from Marshal Voroshilov himself: We now have the time to prepare ourselves to be the executioner of the capitalist world while it is agonizing. We must, however, be cautious. The Germans must not have any inkling that we are preparing to stab them in the back while they are busy fighting the French. Otherwise, they could change their general plan, and attack us.
In the same record. Marshal Choponitov wrote: "The coexistence between Hitler's Germany and the Soviet Union is only temporary. We will not make it last very long." Marshal Timoshenko, for his part, did not want to be so hasty: "Let us not forget that our war material from our Siberian factories will not be delivered until Fall." This was written at the beginning of 1941, and the material was only to be delivered in the Fall. The war industry Commisariat Report stated: We will not be in full production until 1942. Marshal Zhukov made this extraordinary admission: "Hitler is in a hurry to invade us; he has good reasons for it." Indeed, Hitler had good reasons to invade Russia in a hurry because he realized he would be wiped out if he did not. Zhukov added: "We need a few more months to rectify many of our defects before the end of 1941. We need 18 months to complete the modernization of our forces."
More than 2,500 new concrete fortifications were built between 1939 and 1940. 160 divisions were made combat-ready. 60 tank divisions were on full alert. The Germans only had 10 panzer tank divisions. In 1941, the Soviets had 17,000 tanks, and by 1942 they had 32,000. They had 92,578 pieces of artillery. And their 17,545 combat planes in 1940 outnumbered the German air force.
It is easy to understand that with such war preparations going on. Hitler was left with only one option: Invade the Soviet Union immediately, or face annihilation. Hitler's Russian campaign was the "last chance" campaign. Hitler did not go into Russia with any great optimism. He told me later on: "When I entered Russia, I was like a man facing a shut door. I knew I had to crash through it, but without knowing what was behind it." Hitler was right. He knew the Soviets were strong, but above all he knew they were going to be a lot stronger.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:12 pm to DeusVultMachina
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No. Firstly, the u-boat wolfpacks were AWESOME at harrying allied shipping lanes. But at no point in the war did they ever come close to controlling allied shipping lanes. Admiral Doenitz himself conceded this point, so you probably should too.
Sure, as long as you concede that U boats were nothing but the tip of the Nazi naval power spear. Without the British fleet to worry about, it becomes quite a different story in the Atlantic, doesn’t it?
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This is also false, Hitler lacked the logistical materiel, air and sea superiority to undertake or succeed in operation sealion. This, again, is historical fact.
It’s a historical assumption. Nobody knows what would have happened if Hitler had thrown the men and materiel at Britain, that he threw at Russia. I believe they would have rolled Britain, rather easily. Hell, they damn near defeated them as it was.
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I thought wrong. You are not a ww2 buff. The war in the pacific had been raging for years prior to the June 6, 1944 invasion of mainland Europe.
My grandpa was on the USS Barnes by June of 1942. Don’t tell me what I do and don’t know. We were getting pushed around pretty good in the Pacific theatre, until very late in the war.
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shite yes, they absolutely were. Holy shite, please read about Com-intern and other high profile programs.
Programs. The Nazis were using bullets, bombs, tanks, and planes. Slightly different.
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n regards to your earlier points re: mass killings: the ruskies pogroms made Hitler's genocides look like child's play. You can resesrch numbers if you like; it is substantially worse than you realize.
Please feel free to reference any information I can read. It’s always been my understanding that the pogroms were a czarist Russia thing, not a Bolshevik thing.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:13 pm to Jazzhands_McFeels
Hell. Yes.
We legit need a military history board.
To troy: Hitler's invasion of soviet russia was always destined... his hatred of them outweighed everything else. The only question is timing.
We legit need a military history board.
To troy: Hitler's invasion of soviet russia was always destined... his hatred of them outweighed everything else. The only question is timing.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:18 pm to troyt37
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I believe they would have rolled Britain, rather easily. Hell, they damn near defeated them as it was.
frick yeah he could have. But then the communists would have taken over Europe.
He considered the Brits very close cousins. He tried to make peace with them almost non-stop. The John McCain of the time, Churchill, was hellbent on not allowing a continental power to take hold though.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:22 pm to Jazzhands_McFeels
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He considered the Brits very close cousins. He tried to make peace with them almost non-stop. The John McCain of the time, Churchill, was hellbent on not allowing a continental power to take hold though.
So, Churchill should have just been okay with Germany conquering Czechoslovakia, Poland, and France?
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