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re: Chromosome Study: All Men Can Be Traced to One Man
Posted on 2/8/14 at 2:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 2/8/14 at 2:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
Chromosome Study: All Men Can Be Traced to One Man
To get back to this topic, it is an interesting study and result if you understood what it is. They probably should have used a better name than "Adam" due to the reaction that religious people usually have to anything that has to do with evolution. It might be proven wrong in the future, that is how science works and that is why we need to keep the research going.
To get back to this topic, it is an interesting study and result if you understood what it is. They probably should have used a better name than "Adam" due to the reaction that religious people usually have to anything that has to do with evolution. It might be proven wrong in the future, that is how science works and that is why we need to keep the research going.
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Posted on 2/8/14 at 2:55 pm to CJM18
I can promise you that more atheists than christians have thought deeply about what they believe. The very fact that the vast majority if atheists in this country were once religious bears this out.
There is nothing incoherent about the statement "I see no evidence of a divine being". Do you consider people who dont believe in ghosts or bigfoot to be incoherent?
There is nothing incoherent about the statement "I see no evidence of a divine being". Do you consider people who dont believe in ghosts or bigfoot to be incoherent?
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
You keep attacking me personally because you do not have the intelligence to respond to specific arguments...... Then again, I recall you are the one who made the statement a few days ago, the cruelest thing a christian parent could do was let his child grow up, or something to that effect. I suppose evolution left you woefully inadequate in some genetic characteristics
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:07 pm to mattloc
How am I attacking you? Calling you ignorant of atheism is not an insult, it is merely a reality. Based on your posts, it is a subject which you are ignorant of. We are all ignorant of certain things, its nothing to be ashamed of. It is silly to debate it as if you understood it, though.
And I have responded to the arguments of yourself and others multiple times in this thread. All your questions have been answered and all your misconceptions corrected, you are just ignoring them.
The only person being personally insulting is you.
And I have responded to the arguments of yourself and others multiple times in this thread. All your questions have been answered and all your misconceptions corrected, you are just ignoring them.
The only person being personally insulting is you.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:14 pm to Roger Klarvin
I see why some choose to ignore your posting...the misconceptions are being held by yourself and you have only engaged in obviation and obfuscation. The fact remains...... that your viewpoints serve as a cornerstone in a suppresive philosophy, yet you cannot see it because you are obstinate and unreasonable.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Maybe expressed as a percentage but just the sheer number of Christians vs the small number of atheists makes that assertion pretty ridiculous.
I can promise you that more atheists than christians have thought deeply about what they believe.
quote:I don't think that really proves anything. I have encountered several varieties of atheists. The ones you describe, the ones that just have a difficult time with the faith part of any form of religion and then the young folks that just think it's cool to claim to be atheist. That number is probably growing faster than any other.
The very fact that the vast majority if atheists in this country were once religious bears this out.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:19 pm to CJM18
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Atheism is an emperor with no clothes. When followed through logically it is completely incoherent. But very few of those who identify as atheists ever think it through to its logical out workings.
Is there some magic I am missing?
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:21 pm to mattloc
There is no point in continuing this discussion with you, you are simply ignoring multiple pages and multiple posters explaining things to you. You clearly have no interest in furthering your understanding or anyone else's.
Good day
Good day
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:21 pm to mattloc
quote:
I see why some choose to ignore your posting...the misconceptions are being held by yourself and you have only engaged in obviation and obfuscation. The fact remains...... that your viewpoints serve as a cornerstone in a suppresive philosophy, yet you cannot see it because you are obstinate and unreasonable.
I gotta be honest...this is hilarious.
Tell you what. You want me to believe that the Christian god is the correct god I should be worshiping.
Prove to me he exists.
Understand that the Muslim God, Greek Gods, Hindu gods and of course the all mighty Thor are vying for my attention as well.
It's your forum. Prove to me that you are correct.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:27 pm to Diamondawg
quote:
Maybe expressed as a percentage but just the sheer number of Christians vs the small number of atheists makes that assertion pretty ridiculous.
Obviously as a percentage, sorry if that wasnt clear. Only about ten percent of American adults (around 25 million people) claim atheism, agnosticism or a general lack of belief. Clearly out of the well over 200 million theist adults more total numbers have thought about it.
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I don't think that really proves anything. I have encountered several varieties of atheists. The ones you describe, the ones that just have a difficult time with the faith part of any form of religion and then the young folks that just think it's cool to claim to be atheist. That number is probably growing faster than any other.
I wasnt really factoring in those high school emo atheists. There are a lot of young atheist college students, but just as many of them are atheists due to education and questioning as those who just want to be cool or hate religion or something.
And most atheists and agnostics dont care if others are religious. Dont think the angry ones on youtube are the norm.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I can promise you that more atheists than christians have thought deeply about what they believe.
That is a ludicrous assertion without any factual basis. You are relying on your own personal animosity and self satisfaction.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:29 pm to Diamondawg
There are alot of "athiest" in that large number of christians. I was one of them so I know, It is not easy to openly deny God in this society, especially in the south. Family pressure, work, ect keeps alot of people from openly admitting it. I guess I am an athiest because I do not believe in God, I really do not care what anyone believes as long as it does not affect me or my child. It is not as easy and carefree as some would think especially coming from a religious family and at work. The only thing that really bothers me is when religion tries to interfere with science because it is obvious that they should be separate.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:33 pm to asurob1
I have never suggested that I am of any religious persuasion. I do think that when you logically consider that 100 billion observable galaxies, this planet, and the biological entities that exist upon it, could not have appeared by some magical materialization. It is reasonable to assume there is a creator....if there is a creator and he wants to be known, it is reasonable to assume he has revealed himself on earth in some manner.... I know this reasoning involves certain assumptions. These assumptions however are no more far fetched than those scientists make for the origin of the universe.
1. That the universe itself has always existed in dome form
2. That the biologiccl ingredients of life have always existed.
3. That evolution began by a ranfom act like two particles piaring in a pool of goo
1. That the universe itself has always existed in dome form
2. That the biologiccl ingredients of life have always existed.
3. That evolution began by a ranfom act like two particles piaring in a pool of goo
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:35 pm to mattloc
Sorry for the spelling, I am on a cell
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:51 pm to TK421
quote:
That is a ludicrous assertion without any factual basis. You are relying on your own personal animosity and self satisfaction.
I have no animosity, it just makes logical sense looking at the statistics. The vast majority of atheists were born into and practiced religion at one time, whereas the vast majority of theists were not converted but rather also born into their religion of choice.
The fact is that far greater percentages of people LEAVE their birth religion than those who leave non-belief to believe. Studies shown that over 90% of atheists and agnostics in America practiced sone form of religion at one time (mostly christianity) while less than 15% of current religious believers ever went through any period of adamant non-belief.
It seems when one side flips, they rarely flip back. People leave religion is fairly high numbers these days, though.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:56 pm to mattloc
I don't think that there is anything wrong if you want to assume that God or something else created the universe and everything in it. I do not think that anyone really cares. Alot people need that security in their life just to sleep better at night, alot of far fetched theories that scientist made are actually fact now. Can you imagine what the people in Darwin's day thought he proposed that we came from monkeys?
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:56 pm to Revo236
I agree with this and I believe you to be a sincere seeker of truth, most athiest I know tend to have that same thirst for understanding. I have no problem with athiest in general, and I respect their right to believe and raise their children as they see fit. It is the militant variety that I fall out with.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:59 pm to TK421
I also encounter a lot of people in the south that absolutely know what they believe is true and have no doubts, which is the easiest way to tell that someone has never thought long and hard about what they believe.
If you can claim to not have any doubts about God's nature or existence, including those who have a lack of belief, you havent given much thought to it.
Then there are the overwhelming statistics which show a direct correlation between levels of education and theism. For every extra degree you get, your odds of being a believer go down. People with MDs, law degrees and PHDs claim a specific religion only about 20% of the time and these people make up over half of those who claim no belief in God.
If you can claim to not have any doubts about God's nature or existence, including those who have a lack of belief, you havent given much thought to it.
Then there are the overwhelming statistics which show a direct correlation between levels of education and theism. For every extra degree you get, your odds of being a believer go down. People with MDs, law degrees and PHDs claim a specific religion only about 20% of the time and these people make up over half of those who claim no belief in God.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
I have no animosity
quote:
The vast majority of atheists were born into and practiced religion at one time, whereas the vast majority of theists were not converted but rather also born into their religion of choice.
So, based on your personal experience you make the leap in logic that those who stay within the faith they were born into have not thought critically about that faith. This is an assertion without proof but again is based in your own false assumptions.
quote:
It seems when one side flips, they rarely flip back
This is also not true.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 4:03 pm to TK421
this has turned into the rodger defending his position thread
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