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re: Chinese government owned company to invest $1.25 billion in Louisiana Plant--
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:48 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:48 pm to I B Freeman
Uh, I don't support giving the Chinese any breaks at all. Show me where I said that I supported that.
Cut and dried, if the Chinese want to sell products in our markets, then they have to pay for the privilege.
If they don't like that, then they should stick to making products for their home market.
Cut and dried, if the Chinese want to sell products in our markets, then they have to pay for the privilege.
If they don't like that, then they should stick to making products for their home market.
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:51 pm to I B Freeman
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I do not condone slave labor anywhere. Why would I?
So you'll go on record saying you don't support any countries that have forced labor camps.
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“The (Chinese) Communist Party is using the security forces for mass imprisonment of Chinese Muslims in concentration camps,” Schriver told a Pentagon briefing during a broader discussion about China’s military, estimating that the number of detained Muslims could be “closer to 3 million citizens.”
Reuters
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:55 pm to I B Freeman
A plant built and operated in the US will meet our regulations and standards set forth by the EPA. What do you think they do China? Pump it straight into the air and into our oceans. I guess as long as it isn’t in your backyard (and just washes up ashore) it is ok. You truly are detestable in your service to mammon.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:57 pm to Hickok
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So you'll go on record saying you don't support any countries that have forced labor camps
Of course.
I only send taxes to the USA.
I don't know the moral stories behind any good I buy. Do you? Do you know if the diamonds you bought your SO are mined with slave labor? Do you know if the oil you burn in your car was stolen in Nigeria? or if the money you paid for it went towards the wages of terrorists in the Middle East? did the coffee you drank this morning come from a coke producer in Columbia? What are you doing about the evil you support with your purchases?
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:58 pm to auggie
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Uh, I don't support giving the Chinese any breaks at al
What will you think of Trump if he declares the site a foreign trade site exempting them for tariffs while taxing American importers?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:01 pm to I B Freeman
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I don't know the moral stories behind any good I buy. Do you? Do you know if the diamond you bought your SO are mined with slave labor? Do you know if the oil you burn in your car was stolen in Nigeria? or if the money you paid for it went towards the wages of terrorists in the Middle East? did the coffee you drank this morning come from a coke producer in Columbia? What are you doing about the evil you support with your purchases?
You really like this spiel as its the second time you've attempted to pull it on me. No, I don't know where every product I use came from, but I also don't openly support Communist Chinese business at every chance I get. You on the other hand, can't seem to go a day without openly supporting a country that has more human rights violation than any other place in the world all for the name of "profits".
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:03 pm to I B Freeman
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What will you think of Trump if he declares the site a foreign trade site exempting them for tariffs while taxing American importers?
Let's see, will the American importers be importing things made by American workers? I don't think so.
This will be a special situation, because it's about American Manufacturing.
Of course you won't recognize the difference.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:03 pm to PickupAutist
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A plant built and operated in the US
So you support Trump granting this Chinese company Foreign Trade Zone status for their plant exempting them from the tariffs while he punishes American companies from importing from China?
Why do you hate American business? and why do you support big government taxes?
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What do you think they do China? Pump it straight into the air and into our oceans.
Uhh they do not have as strict of environmental law as we do BUT they have stricter law than they used to have AND the punishment for those that break it is imprisionment. It's probably not a good idea to start comparing their environmental laws with ours. Some of these fruits and nuts will want us to be more like them.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:09 pm to I B Freeman
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big gubbement taxes
you’re a dead breed IB NYT: Nearly 14,000 Companies in China Violate Pollution Rules
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Environmental inspectors in northern China have found that nearly 14,000 companies, or 70 percent of the businesses they examined, failed to meet environmental standards for controlling air pollution, according to a state news agency report.
Im sure they’ve turned a new leaf.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:09 pm to Hickok
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You on the other hand, can't seem to go a day without openly supporting a country that has more human rights violation than any other place in the world all for the name of "profits".
Point to one post I made supporting China.
I have on numerous occasions pointed out some things about China that are just facts but I have never advocated for China.
I don't care what the Chinese do.
You are just WRONG if you think this trade war has anything at all to do with this massive slave labor exploitation you think is going on in China. IT DOES NOT---that is not a matter of opinion. It is simply FACT. Trump has laid out the goals of the 301 tariffs and they are clear BUT they are not what many of you think. The goals are not to break China or stop slavery or stop military expansion---it is none of those things.
quote:Well it applies again. Don't lecture me about supporting some obscure injustice because of where I do business when you do the exact same thing.
You really like this spiel as its the second time you've attempted to pull it on me
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:12 pm to auggie
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Let's see, will the American importers be importing things made by American workers? I don't think so.
This will be a special situation, because it's about American Manufacturing.
Of course you won't recognize the difference.
That is a horrible, Un American stance to take.
You support allowing the Chinese company to import Chinese inputs tariff free but oppose allowing American companies to do the same because it is a "special situation"??
You can't be that big of a hypocrite. But maybe so.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:18 pm to PickupAutist
they will shut those plants down.
Two years ago they started sampling air in certain cities. Contrary to logic but consistent with the stupidity of bureaucracy if the samples revealed pollution level above a certain level they closed every plant in the city until the air cleared. Polluting and non polluting plants were closed for a couple of days until the samples were clear.
It is crazy but no one can say China is ignoring the environment any more. The mere fact that they have standards now is huge.
If they stick to the standards I suspect in a very short time relatively speaking those plants will figure out a way to meet the standards.
As the article in your link points out it is a priority for the current government and those guys can be brutal. They will start having coal stack scrubbers and NG power plants very quickly I suspect.
I don't particularly care but I have witnessed the change in their attitude toward the environment.
Two years ago they started sampling air in certain cities. Contrary to logic but consistent with the stupidity of bureaucracy if the samples revealed pollution level above a certain level they closed every plant in the city until the air cleared. Polluting and non polluting plants were closed for a couple of days until the samples were clear.
It is crazy but no one can say China is ignoring the environment any more. The mere fact that they have standards now is huge.
If they stick to the standards I suspect in a very short time relatively speaking those plants will figure out a way to meet the standards.
As the article in your link points out it is a priority for the current government and those guys can be brutal. They will start having coal stack scrubbers and NG power plants very quickly I suspect.
I don't particularly care but I have witnessed the change in their attitude toward the environment.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:19 pm to I B Freeman
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So support Trump granting this Chinese company Foreign Trade Zone status for their plant exempting them from the tariffs while he punishes American companies from importing from China?
Again you fail to differentiate the difference between where the manufacturing happens, an american company using cheap Chinese (slave) labor to import products isn't the same as a Chinese company investing in US industrial sites that is regulated by the US and supports jobs here. Manufacturing processes are all the same, the cost difference comes from labor and environmental standards, if one country isn't willing to uphold those standards then they will always win the trade war, by imposing tariffs to level the playing field against competitors with lower standards we can build back our manufacturing economy while supporting our own citizens. All the while you haven't broached the topic of the Chinese stealing american IP.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:19 pm to I B Freeman
Let's see, an importer who imports foreign made products, doesn't help anybody but himself and the foreign company and workers who made it. frick that guy, he is of no importance to me.
It's all about American manufacturing for me.
What you don't seem to understand is: when you create an industrial complex that employs maybe 1,000 people, you will automatically also create support industries,contractors and industrial,safety,etc..supply houses that create another couple thousand or more jobs.
Importers are dead end businesses.
It's all about American manufacturing for me.
What you don't seem to understand is: when you create an industrial complex that employs maybe 1,000 people, you will automatically also create support industries,contractors and industrial,safety,etc..supply houses that create another couple thousand or more jobs.
Importers are dead end businesses.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:28 pm to auggie
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It's all about American manufacturing for me.
No it is not---It is all about excusing away Trumps actions.
Let me see if I can make this simpler for you.
American Company A imports XX chemical from China to make their finished product and employs 100 people. You and Trump want to punish that guy for importing from China.
Chinese Company B wants to build a plant in St. James Parish to make the same finished product as company A but needs to import XX chemical from China too and you are ok with it operating without paying the tariff. You support that if Trump does.
Hypocrite.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:30 pm to Hickok
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Again you fail
Nothing in the rest of that post is correct or applicable to this thread.
You obviously do not understand what the company wants the Trump administration to but you obviously support it if Trump does it.
You are right here saying a Chinese owned company in the USA should not be taxed and tariffed like an American Company in the USA. You can kiss my taxpaying arse.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:32 pm to I B Freeman
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Don't lecture me about supporting some obscure injustice because of where I do business when you do the exact same thing.
I make a living by buying products made in the US and sell to companies in the US, and we compete against cheap (subpar) Chinese commodities, so I think I have some ground to stand on when it comes to this.
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Point to one post I made supporting China.
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because of where I do business
where do you do business IBChina? Surely all these comments about tariffs have nothing to do with you supporting china while you do business else where, you cant just be a whore for cheap chinese slave labor can you?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:34 pm to I B Freeman
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No it is not---It is all about excusing away Trumps actions.
And your benzos and alcohol induced rants are all about your contracting business being too reliant on Chinese steel. No one is fooled to believe any different.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:36 pm to I B Freeman
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Why do you hate American business? and why do you support big government taxes?
It sounds like you are worried you will lose good employees to this company because of the low wages you pay.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:37 pm to Hickok
You can't stay on point can you?
You bash all these things about China BUT YOU SUPPORT granting this Chinese company Foreign Trade Zone status in the USA allowing them to import from China WITHOUT THE PUNISHING TARIFFS our government makes US companies pay.
Are you bipolar?
Do you hate American companies?
What kind of hypocrite are you??
You bash all these things about China BUT YOU SUPPORT granting this Chinese company Foreign Trade Zone status in the USA allowing them to import from China WITHOUT THE PUNISHING TARIFFS our government makes US companies pay.
Are you bipolar?
Do you hate American companies?
What kind of hypocrite are you??
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