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Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:05 pm to
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
10638 posts
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:05 pm to
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I will make sure to increase my Grok 3 analysis for you Memphis


Of that I have no doubt, John. None at all. After all, Grok DID name you one of the top 10 posters, did it not?

Hell, all I got was a "Who? Who's that guy?"
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 9:06 pm
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
6270 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:24 am to
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Challenges and Limitations
Despite progress, China faces hurdles:
Reliability and Longevity: Chinese engines, particularly earlier WS-10 variants, have historically suffered from shorter service lives and higher maintenance needs compared to Western counterparts like those from Pratt & Whitney or General Electric.

Technological Gap: While the WS-15 closes the gap, Western engines still lead in fuel efficiency, time-between-overhauls, and advanced materials (e.g., high-temperature alloys and turbine blades). Developing these requires decades of expertise China is still accruing.

Innovation vs. Scale: Mass production is underway, but innovations like the shark skin structure are unproven in operational settings, and their impact remains speculative.

Strategic Implications
China’s engine advancements signal a maturing aerospace industry, with production estimates suggesting over 200 fighter jets annually (J-10, J-16, J-20, etc.) by 2025. The shift to indigenous engines reduces dependency on Russia and bolsters military self-sufficiency. However, the need for three engines in the J-36 prototype hints at ongoing struggles to match the power-to-weight ratios of U.S. sixth-generation designs, which typically rely on fewer, more powerful engines.
In summary, China’s fighter jet engines have evolved from foreign dependence to credible domestic production, with the WS-15 marking a high point. Yet, reliability, efficiency, and cutting-edge innovation remain areas where China trails the U.S. and its allies, though the gap is narrowing steadily.


You answered your own question,

Here is a Google search link with plenty of articles

google
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
13137 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:50 am to
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Here is a Google search link with plenty of articles


You typed in "china problems jet engines fighters" in your Google prompt which shows old information like "Early versions of Chinese-made engines, like the WS-10" this was 20 years ago

You said they can't make a decent jet engine for fighters which is currently inaccurate evidenced by the Grok 3 analysis. I went ahead and typed in Google "china current jet engines fighters" and got a similar result as the Grok 3 Analysis. We are talking currently not 20 years ago.

Google Current



Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25206 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:54 am to
Good, now we can steal their tech and not feel guilty about it.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
13137 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 1:06 am to
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Good, now we can steal their tech and not feel guilty about it.


Our engines are still better and more proven in combat situations but the assertion that China is not currently building "decent" engines for their fighter jets is asinine
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
6270 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 4:15 am to
BS, read about how little flight hours they can go before the jet engines have to be pulled and basically be rebuilt or replaced, about half the hours American jet engines last, plus underpowered and lack sufficient torque, the info is their unless you depend on Chinese propaganda for your info about them.

China lacks the machining technology to produce a truly modern fighter jet engine, and we won't sell it them.
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