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Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Describe it any way you like. The point stands.
ok fine, In my view the government can legitimately regulate things that are unjust. Only anarchist are completely against governments, even libertarians recognize the government has a legitimate purpose even if that is way more limited than it currently is in this country.
Murder is unjust because it takes away the right of life of an individual. In the same way abortion takes away the right of life of an individual and therefore is unjust. I'm not an anarchist so I don't see why being against abortion would be against my limited government philosophy.
As I understand it our country was founded on rights and liberties. Anything that takes away rights and/or liberties can be legitimately regulated by the government. Abortion takes away a right, therefore it can be regulated or better banned completely.
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If you actually believed this, you'd be doing more than whining about it on a college football forum and voting for people who do nothing to stop it.
Ok so based on an anonymous user name on a message board you assume I do nothing to help the pro-life movement.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:22 pm to RebelExpress38
quote:I'm not comparing the unborn with Hamas, I'm highlighting the conundrum of protecting a certain stage of life at all costs (including life resulting from rape and incest in LA) and yet can justify wasting bad guys because of what ever reason needed.
I’m against any innocent being killed. Innocent Palestinians and innocent unborn children alike. But when you compare Hamas to unborn children you out yourself.
Is innocence the determining factor for you?
An no one will touch IVF throwaway vs. abortion.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:25 pm to catholictigerfan
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ok fine, In my view the government can legitimately regulate things that are unjust.
Well, no. In your view, the government should force your individual morality on others.
There's a wide gap between legislating morality and anarchy.
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Ok so based on an anonymous user name on a message board you assume I do nothing to help the pro-life movement.
No. I know for a fact that your actions do not correlate to a legitimate belief that babies are being murdered.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:28 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Well, no. In your view, the government should force your individual morality on others.
Ok so what about states legislating murder? Isn't that forcing your morality on an individual?
I get you don't like forcing your morality on individuals from a state level, but there are instances where that is called for and legitimate. What are laws but legislated morality?
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No. I know for a fact that your actions do not correlate to a legitimate belief that babies are being murdered.
sure you do.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:30 pm to catholictigerfan
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Ok so what about states legislating murder? Isn't that forcing your morality on an individual?
Make the argument that murder can be a moral act. Not killing someone, murder.
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sure you do.
Your participation here is evidence that I am correct.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Make the argument that murder can be a moral act. Not killing someone, murder.
With the exception of taking a life in terms of self defense, taking someone else's life is always immoral, or maybe better put unjust.
Laws can legitimately regulate human behavior, can you think of a law that doesn't? If you want to call it legislating morality, go ahead call it that. I don't see how there is an issue with legislating morality, or as you may say forcing my morality on someone else.
What is the purpose of law? How does it not regulate morality?
Maybe there is a confusion of terms here.
But in my mind it's simple
Abortion is an injustice, therefore to pass a law against its practice isn't wrong even for someone who believes in limited government.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:41 pm to catholictigerfan
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With the exception of taking a life in terms of self defense, taking someone else's life is always immoral, or maybe better put unjust.
Do you oppose the death penalty? War? I also assume the only animal you give this arbitrary consideration to is humans.
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If you want to call it legislating morality, go ahead call it that.
In many cases, that's exactly what it is.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Do you oppose the death penalty?
if it is for the defense of society, yes it can be done.
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War?
if it is for the defense of a society, yes it can be done.
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In many cases, that's exactly what it is.
so according to you abortion legislation is legislating morality, therefore it should be allowed because we can't legislate morality?
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:47 pm to catholictigerfan
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defense of society
Well, at least we got you to progress beyond self defense.
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so according to you abortion legislation is legislating morality, therefore it should be allowed because we can't legislate morality?
Ask that question again, but better.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Ask that question again, but better.
ok fine, why is it wrong to legislate morality?
isn't all law basically a regulation of what is right and wrong? The most basic understanding of morality?
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:54 pm to catholictigerfan
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ok fine, why is it wrong to legislate morality?
That wasn't my point.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That wasn't my point.
I'll ask in an even broader way.
Why in your view is it wrong to ban abortion, local state or federal level?
Posted on 11/8/23 at 2:59 pm to j1897
You don't go after an issue that over 70% of the population believes should be available in some form or fashion for a finite amt of time during a pregnancy....and you definitely lose people with NO exceptions. That was and continues to be asinine.
They could have made their point and got a W if they went after that single-digit percentage that happen late 2d/3d trimester (unless the health of the mother is at risk), and you would have HAD public support.
They could have made their point and got a W if they went after that single-digit percentage that happen late 2d/3d trimester (unless the health of the mother is at risk), and you would have HAD public support.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:01 pm to j1897
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Virginia voters stormed to polls and handed Democrats full control of the state legislature in a huge blow to popular Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin. They rejected his common-sense conservative policies due to needless fears over a moderate abortion proposal.
Many pundits and GOP donors speculated that Youngkin was going to launch a belated Presidential bid had the GOP captured control of the state legislature. This would have allowed him to implement a number of conservative priorities blocked in the state legislature, including a 15-week abortion ban.
This mainstream abortion proposal would have included exceptions to rape, incest, and life of the mother. Moreover, it would have put Virginia in the same ballpark as most of liberal Europe on the issue.
But the Virginia Democratic Party insinuated that the “right” to abortion was about to vanish completely and made this issue the centerpiece of their campaign. And the idiot voters bought into their lies.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/virginia-goes-socialist-brain-dead-commonwealth-voters-deal/
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:02 pm to catholictigerfan
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I'll ask in an even broader way.
Why in your view is it wrong to ban abortion, local state or federal level?
Ask as many ways as you want. That wasn't my point.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:02 pm to catholictigerfan
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so I don't see why being against abortion would be against my limited government philosophy.
Yes we know. That's the problem.
You're not seeing it.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Whether you agree with it or not, Republicans need to get out of the business of using the government to force their personal morality on everyone else.
this is what has kicked off this whole debate between you and me.
Why should republicans get out of the business of using the government to force morality on everyone else?
What point were you trying to make?
I'm tired of going back and forth on this.
Abortion is an act that takes the life of another human person. With the exception of self defense, all actions that take the life of another person are wrong, unjust, immoral whatever language you want to use. The government has every right to legislate that which injuries the rights of others, as in the deliberate taking of a human life, without just cause.
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:12 pm to JohnSacrimoni76
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Yeah it’s called personal responsibility for your actions
What a perfect response. Lefties hate it when the plan doesn't involve governmental intervention. And self-responsibility scares the dickens out of today's snowflakes.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:12 pm to JohnSacrimoni76
Taking responsibility for your actions means making tough choices. You're wanting to remove any choice.
IMO, you're more interested in being punitive.
IMO, you're more interested in being punitive.
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