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Can Israel destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:03 pm
quote:Can bombs and missiles do the job or will they have to put boots on the ground?
Near a peak of the Zagros Mountains in central Iran, workers are building a nuclear facility so deep in the earth that it is likely beyond the range of a last-ditch U.S. weapon designed to destroy such sites, according to experts and satellite imagery analyzed by The Associated Press.
apnews.com
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:04 pm to bhtigerfan
I have more curiosity about how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:05 pm to bhtigerfan
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Can bombs and missiles do the job or will they have to put boots on the ground?
That’s not even in the cards. Israel doesn’t have the capability to put an effective force on the ground in Iran.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:06 pm to Indefatigable
Do you mean at all or to hold the entire country? For instance, do they not have the ability to assault the facility with ground forces? I'm not up on Israeli military capabilities.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:07 pm to rebeloke
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They don’t need to…
Right…
How is that a response to my post directly addressing a question about Israeli boots on the ground though?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:09 pm to therick711
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For instance, do they not have the ability to assault the facility with ground forces? I'm not up on Israeli military capabilities.
I don’t know how Israel would be able to assault Iran’s most fortified and secure facility with ground troops without committing their forces to a suicide mission. How would they even get there? HALO drop? Helicopter? Dozens or Hundreds of miles inside Iran?
Hell, I don’t know how the US would pull that off.
Life isn’t a Tom Clancy novel.
Outside of extremely small and covert operations in coastal or border regions, I don’t see how the IDF could put boots on the ground at all.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:09 pm to bhtigerfan
Any attack can still do damage even if it’s underground or protected. Would you be cool hanging out in a place like that if it was targeted? I wouldn’t.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:10 pm to Indefatigable
It was a simple question. No need to be defensive. I'm interested in knowing what you meant and what it's based on. If you don't care to actually discuss that, I'm good.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:11 pm to bhtigerfan
Drop a couple MOABs and nothing with soft tissue would want to be in that area.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:13 pm to therick711
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It was a simple question. No need to be defensive. I'm interested in knowing what you meant and what it's based on. If you don't care to actually discuss that, I'm good.
Didn’t mean to come off that way.
Iran is a massive country with considerable military resources. And Israel doesn’t really have any options for both penetrating that deeply into Iran, attacking and destroying something that fortified, and getting their people out. Not in the extremely short time they would have
Im not sure any military on Earth does. That’s not an endorsement of Iran’s capability, just the logistical reality of carrying out something like that.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:16 pm to bhtigerfan
Multiple facilities are deep inside mountains. Might be able to destroy entrances and trap them in.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:18 pm to Indefatigable
Interesting. I was envisioning some kind of small special forces like team or teams with air cover. To be clear, I don't know the geography or their capability at all, just wondering if they couldn't even do that. In the original post I wasn't quite clear if they didn't really have ground forces or if they were so limited they aren't really an option.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:23 pm to therick711
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was envisioning some kind of small special forces like team or teams with air cover.
Given how secure the Natanz facility is, I just don’t know how it would work without a suicide mission.
Natanz is hundreds of miles deep into Iran. Almost dead center if you look at it on a map.
Maybe Israel could knock out air defenses long enough to insert a small group, but nothing that could mount a large assault on Iran’s most secretive and defended nuclear facility. And that’s before getting to Iran’s military on the ground.
Putting in a force that large would almost certainly require a conventional invasion of troops. Israel doesn’t really have the numbers or military set up for that. Their capabilities and quality is very good, but the IDF is a relatively small force that doesn’t have power protection options. Iran is a country of 90,000,000.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:25 pm to Indefatigable
In the past, Israel's MO has been sabotage and assassination. I would envision that being the way this would have to go. I still remember when the world got hit with stuxnet.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:27 pm to therick711
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I would envision that being the way this would have to go. I still remember when the world got hit with stuxnet.
As you probably know, stuxnet attacked this same facility.
And we did that because we couldn’t even get intelligence assets in there to sabotage it. Hard to imagine Israel inserting commandos etc in that context.
I suppose I could be completely wrong. But if the west, any of the west, had this capability, someone would have done it already.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:31 pm to Indefatigable
Stuxnet and it's ancillary viruses were terrifying.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:06 pm to therick711
quote:That’s what I was thinking of also when I said “boots on the ground.”
I was envisioning some kind of small special forces like team or teams with air cover.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:09 pm to TigerB8
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Multiple facilities are deep inside mountains. Might be able to destroy entrances and trap them in.
Yep. Might not be able to destroy the actual site, but they could make it almost impossible to access. And then they can still destroy all the support infrastructure.
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