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re: Can anyone defend being a libertarian anymore?
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Individuals.
If you get enough individuals together, they can make a society. Those very individuals may even give up some of their individual liberties to participate in the defense of that society of individuals.
That you abide by the law PROVES that you are giving up liberties for security. It's just that your ideology is preventing you from admitting it.
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:30 pm to Harry Boutte
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I never said it did.
K...
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The REALLY fricking crazy thing about the 2nd Amendment is how absolutely blind people are to this part: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"
There's nothing "individual" about the militia. And the militia is NECESSARY to the SECURITY of a free STATE.
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it's a clause
A prefatory clause.
You can look that up.
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You're falling into the pro-gun trap
There we go. It's always better when you people just admit who you are.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:31 pm to Harry Boutte
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If you get enough individuals together, they can make a society.
Which shouldnt surpass the rights of individuals, ever.
Collective actions reduce mankinds ability to act as an individual. Its going backwards, its not "progressive."
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Which is natural.
Of course it is, because we're social creatures. And it's natural for us to develop governments.
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one man fighting 300k Chinese wouldnt go very far.
That's right. And when the commanding officer gives the order to charge the Chinese lines, the individual who chooses instead to exercise his individual liberties and provide for his own security by running away, will be lawfully shot.
You agree to abide by the laws of society, thus relinquishing some liberty, for the very security those laws bring. This is the compact any free citizen makes with his representative government.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Wow! You really can't escape it! 
Context, man, context. Don't turn this into a discussion about the right to bear arms. It's a discussion about collective security, and the abdication of some individual liberties in pursuit of that collective security.
FTR, I don't see the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States as granting me the right to bear arms, but that it simply states that it's the governments duty to protect that right that I have have naturally. But that is a discussion for another time.
Context, man, context. Don't turn this into a discussion about the right to bear arms. It's a discussion about collective security, and the abdication of some individual liberties in pursuit of that collective security.
FTR, I don't see the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States as granting me the right to bear arms, but that it simply states that it's the governments duty to protect that right that I have have naturally. But that is a discussion for another time.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:42 pm to Harry Boutte
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You agree to abide by the laws of society,
No I dont, and neither do you. We pick and choose what we support.
Because we are first and foremost, individualists who are looking after our own self interest.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:53 pm to Harry Boutte
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ollective security, and the abdication of some individual liberties in pursuit of that collective security.
I* dot really need or walnt help.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I* dot really need or walnt help.
Liar. You accept a check from your state government and advocate taxing those wealthier than you. You’re a welfare queen
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:59 pm to BBONDS25
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Liar. You accept a check from your state government and advocate taxing those wealthier than you. You’re a welfare queen
the gay pride leader speaks!
I bet you love Key West too...
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:01 pm to Harry Boutte
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Don't turn this into a discussion about the right to bear arms.
It isn't. It's a discussion of your fundamental misunderstanding of the language and entire point of the Second Amendment. Period.
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I don't see the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States as granting me the right to bear arms
Of course it doesn't. It never has and it never will. That isn't up to the government and it will never be up to the government.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:03 pm to Harry Boutte
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lawfully shot
The mask continues to slip...
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You agree to abide by the laws of society
Compulsory agreement isn't really agreement.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:04 pm to Harry Boutte
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Of course it is, because we're social creatures. And it's natural for us to develop governments.
Did you ever smoke weed when it was illegal?
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You're quoting a man exiled from his own society for the breech of the very compact we're discussing.
Wilde was an unrepentant sodomite. He did not agree to abide by society's laws, and so society removed him. He lost the security of his society when he refused to put some individual liberty aside and abide by the laws of that society.
Curiously, he was welcomed in France.
Wilde was an unrepentant sodomite. He did not agree to abide by society's laws, and so society removed him. He lost the security of his society when he refused to put some individual liberty aside and abide by the laws of that society.
Curiously, he was welcomed in France.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No I dont
Liar.
Have you done your taxes yet this year, Rog?
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:06 pm to Harry Boutte
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Wilde was an unrepentant sodomite.
You ever smoke weed?
Break the speed limit?
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 2/16/25 at 5:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It isn't. It's a discussion of your fundamental misunderstanding of the language and entire point of the Second Amendment. Period.
It's not that either.
What does the Constitution have to say about "security"?
Posted on 2/16/25 at 5:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
So you didn't vote for the Constitution I take it?
Posted on 2/16/25 at 6:06 pm to LCA131
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Hold on pal, that's SFP you're talking ab... Oh right, carry on.
I've never been a member of the LP scholar.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 6:10 pm to Harry Boutte
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If you get enough individuals together, they can make a society. Those very individuals may even give up some of their individual liberties to participate in the defense of that society of individuals.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 6:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Holy bad fricking example to use.
The Second Amendment is an individual right.
There's still time to edit this out.
The second amendment, which is part of the bill of rights, did not apply to individual citizens until the ratification of the 14th amendment in 1868. Prior to that it was left up to the states, and only a federal “infringement” on the states was illegal.
So using something that was NOT an individual right at the time the “provide for the common defense” was written is a meaningless point, and it is actually you who looks stupid, despite your arrogance.
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