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Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Most do, The libertarian (Ron Paul type) is that workers come and go based on economic activity (proven by data) We need a better system of tracking guest workers, as MOST illegals are people who overstay their visa, NOT people who jump the border. My stance is looser immigration helps during economic expansion, and hurts when times get tighter. You can have loose worker immigration if you do not have welfare. But this isnt the case here, so you need some control
Got it.
Military?
Public or private?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:25 am to DisplacedBuckeye
That might be true. You and azkiger apparently practice a secret version of libertarianism that is keeping power in check in the shadows.
Enlighten me on what real libertarianism is
Enlighten me on what real libertarianism is
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:25 am to SlayTime
I'm fine if most Military is militia. Our standing forces are out of control.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:26 am to SlayTime
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Would you agree majority of people who believe gender is ona spectrum are on the spectrum?
No I think they're victims to Leftist destruction of language trying to merge the concepts into one, when that's silly.
Gender is a sociology-psychology term that's what you'd expect from a sosh term (a spectrum without clear delineations)
Sex is a biological term that is binary in 99.9% of scenarios.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Just say you don't know anything about libertarianism and be done with it.
There are opposing views within the ideology, so it’s somewhat confusing
Do you support borders?
Do you support military being public or prefer private?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:27 am to SlayTime
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There are opposing views within the ideology, so it’s somewhat confusing
Because Libertarians are individualists, they'll never agree on most things.
Most Libertarians arent party members.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:27 am to OBReb6
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That might be true.
I just watched someone have to take time to explain to you the difference between "Libertarian" and "libertarian."
It's absolutely true.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:28 am to SlayTime
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There are opposing views within the ideology, so it’s somewhat confusing
Do you support borders?
Do you support military being public or prefer private?
I'm not a libertarian.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:31 am to DisplacedBuckeye
What is the small l libertarian view on tariffs? Who espoused them?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Because Libertarians are individualists, they'll never agree on most things. Most Libertarians arent party members.
Good to know.
Military. Public or private?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:46 am to SlayTime
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Military. Public or private?
why is this a sticking point with you and what point are you trying to make?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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why is this a sticking point with you and what point are you trying to make?
From my understanding it’s a huge debate within the libertarian party. Just curious as to what side you are on.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:01 am to SlayTime
Its not a huge debate. Even the Big Party's belief is there should be a national defense with a govt regulated army.
Its the scope and size of this army that separates Libertarians who believe in non - intervention.
Its the scope and size of this army that separates Libertarians who believe in non - intervention.
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Central to libertarian views is the belief in limited government, extending to military affairs. Libertarians argue that the government’s role should be restricted to defending against external threats and protecting individual rights, rather than engaging in large-scale military operations or nation-building. They believe that a smaller, less intrusive government is more conducive to preserving individual liberties and preventing abuses of power.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:02 am to OBReb6
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What definition? When did you give this? I was asking for it in the previous post. Please share
I said earlier...
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Libertarianism advocates for minimal state interference.
Did you need it in the most explicit form to realize I was defining a term?
"The definition of a libertarian is someone who advocates for minimal state interference in both the economy and private life."
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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If this is done via government, that's specifically not libertarian in principle
"Libertarianism means the government can't do anything".
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Gender is on a spectrum. Sex is not.
Gender and sex are the same thing.
Do you think when we constructed women's prisons we were thinking that people who like pink, dresses, and played with dolls while kids will be housed here? Or do you think the intention was to house people with vaginas there?
Women's prisons, female prisons, sex, gender, its all the same.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:12 am to Azkiger
Thank you
I don’t think tariffs can fall under that definition personally. There is certainly a plethora of libertarians vehemently opposed to it.
You gave an explanation earlier that is your rationalization of it. That’s fair enough, I just don’t think that would be a broadly agreed on argument.
Way earlier in the thread I said I agree with all of the staples of libertarian thought, and I still do. I’m not arguing with you because I think any of your policy positions are wrong, I just have moved beyond focusing on those things because it is not the most relevant animal to wrangle at the moment.
I agree with nearly all of the moves the current Trump admin is partaking in, I just don’t think it can be described as a libertarian takeover. It is a brute force takeover using tactics that libertarian thought is at best agnostic to.
Ideally, the aftermath of this situation will result in something closer to libertarian ideals than it was beforehand, but that remains to be seen. The problem though is if something closer to the libertarian ideal is achieved it is destined to be short lived, because the minimal involvement live and let live attitude is ripe to be taken advantage of by your enemies, and that is where my thoughts on these matters are in the present moment.
I don’t think tariffs can fall under that definition personally. There is certainly a plethora of libertarians vehemently opposed to it.
You gave an explanation earlier that is your rationalization of it. That’s fair enough, I just don’t think that would be a broadly agreed on argument.
Way earlier in the thread I said I agree with all of the staples of libertarian thought, and I still do. I’m not arguing with you because I think any of your policy positions are wrong, I just have moved beyond focusing on those things because it is not the most relevant animal to wrangle at the moment.
I agree with nearly all of the moves the current Trump admin is partaking in, I just don’t think it can be described as a libertarian takeover. It is a brute force takeover using tactics that libertarian thought is at best agnostic to.
Ideally, the aftermath of this situation will result in something closer to libertarian ideals than it was beforehand, but that remains to be seen. The problem though is if something closer to the libertarian ideal is achieved it is destined to be short lived, because the minimal involvement live and let live attitude is ripe to be taken advantage of by your enemies, and that is where my thoughts on these matters are in the present moment.
This post was edited on 2/17/25 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:14 am to OBReb6
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What is the small l libertarian view on tariffs? Who espoused them?
Someone else can teach you. That isn't why I'm here.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:16 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Someone else can teach you. That isn't why I'm here.
Milton Friedman- against tariffs
Ludwig Von Mises - against tariffs
Ron Paul - against tariffs
And on and on
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:17 am to OBReb6
I don't care about any of those dudes.
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